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Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« on: Friday 14 September 12 17:54 BST (UK) »
I am having difficulty finding Violet May Young's father Frederick William Young. I think she was an illegitimate daughter of Frederick and Amelia Jane Young, the daughter of James george Young, Shoemaker and Amelia Allen.
Also, cannot find Violet's birth certificate or baptism record.

24 Dec 1905 The Registry Office in the District of Wandsworth
Arthur alexander  21 years  Bachelor  Pastry Cook  7 Knox Road   Rudolph Oscar      Chef
Gumbrecht                                       journeyman    Battersea       Gumbrecht

Violet may           22 years  Spinster                       2 Knox Road  Frederick William  Cabman
Young                                                                    Battersea       Young
                                                                                                 ( deceased )

Present  amelia jane coates,  mark Gumbrecht


1911 C  34 Knox Road, Clapham Junction, London
Arthur alexander Gumbrecht  Head  27       Confectioner     Islington
Violet may Gumbecht            Wife       28                          Lambeth
Martha elfrida Gumbrecht       dau        5                            Battersea
Alexander arthur Gumbrecht   son   4                                 Battersea
Evelyn may Gumbrecht          dau        2                            St.Austell, Cornwall

1891 C  9. Victoria Dwellings, Battersea
Thomas Coates  lodger  single  40  Barge Lighterman     Battersea
Jane Young        lodger  single  31  Dom. House Keeper  Lambeth
Violet Young        dau               7                                  Lambeth

1901 C  Park Ward, Battersea
Thomas Coates  Head  51  Lighterman Barge  Battersea
Jane a Coates    Wife   42                              Battersea
Violet Coates      dau   17                              Battersea          ( I do not think she is Thomas's daughter )

1911 C  30 Knox Road, Battersea
Thomas Coates           Head        61  Lighterman  Battersea
Amelia Jane Coates     Wife         52                    Lambeth
Alexander Gumbrecht  Grandson  4

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #1 on: Friday 14 September 12 18:04 BST (UK) »
This looks like Violet?

Births, March qtr 1884
Wandsworth district (which covers Battersea)    vol 1d, page 613

Young, Violet May I



There is also a birth for a Violet May Young,  September qrtr 1883, St Saviour (Southwark)



Also, bear in mind, that the mention of a father on the marriage certificate may only be an invention for propriety's sake?
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)


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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #2 on: Friday 14 September 12 18:10 BST (UK) »
This looks like Violet?

Births, March qtr 1884
Wandsworth district (which covers Battersea)    vol 1d, page 613

Young, Violet May I


This one may turn up in Putney (Wandsworth RD) in 1891 with parents Henry and Jemima (Violet's middle initial could be an old-fashioned I or a J): RG12/452/135/33.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #3 on: Friday 14 September 12 18:12 BST (UK) »
Ah well! Plan B! ;D

September qtr 1883
St Saviour district    vol 1d, page 61

Young, Violet May
Garrad (Suffolk, Essex, Somerset), Crocker (Somerset), Vanstone (Devon, Jersey), Sims (Wiltshire), Bridger (Kent)

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #4 on: Friday 14 September 12 18:59 BST (UK) »
Thanks for the response both of you

Bought wrong certificates.

Violet may Isabel Young bo. 19 Dec 1883/4  95 Manor st.  F. James Henry Young & Jemima formerly Hubbard
1884 Clapham  Wandsworth     

also ordered

Violet may Young 1883 sep q  St. Saviour, Sothwark 1d 61         also incorrect

The one in Putney I think is to late.

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #5 on: Friday 14 September 12 19:44 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Have you looked for Amelia Jane Young in the 1881 census?

She would have been @21, and probably in service somewhere.  Frederick William Young may have been in service or living in the same area. 

However I tend to agree with KGarrad that Frederick William is probably fictious.

Interesting that as a child and teen she was known as Coates, but married as Young.

Jann

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #6 on: Friday 14 September 12 20:33 BST (UK) »
She married as Jane Amelia Young - Thomas Coates Wandsworth Sept qtr 1893

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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #7 on: Friday 14 September 12 23:19 BST (UK) »
Thanks Jann and Jennifer C

I am not sure if this is the correct family?

1881  C   5. Caroline Place.  Wal. Rd.  St.Mary's, Newington, Lambeth
James Young  Head  mar  46     Boot maker   Southwark Surrey
Emily Young    Wife   mar     44  Boot binder   Lambeth
Emily              dau              19  Domestic     
William           son           16      Machinist
Edward            son           14     Servant dom.
Jane               dau              12  Scholar
Augustus         dau               9   Scholar
Fredk              son            7       Scholar
Charles           son            5       Scholar
Frank              son           1mon  infant         (all children born Lambeth)
William Brooks                 25


Jennifer C, yes it is correct BMD marriage although cannot find in notes.



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Re: Violet May Gumbrecht daughter of Frederick William Young in Battersea
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 15 September 12 12:59 BST (UK) »
Hi,

Per your previous post.  In the 1891 census:
Jane Young        lodger  single  31  Dom. House Keeper  Lambeth

That would make Jane @21 in 1881.   The family you list would seem not to be the correct family as their Jane Young is 12 years old.


In the 1901 census Violet May Young has become:

Violet Coates      dau   17  Battersea       ( I do not think she is Thomas's daughter

But in 1905 her name reverts to Violet May Young on her marriage certificate.  Just seemed interesting.

Jann