Septimus Coulton

[clearly]

This thread would be much better off on the Westmorland board. Beetham is 35 miles from  Cumberland.

[Geoff-E]

This thread would be much better off on the Westmorland board. Beetham is 35 miles from  Cumberland.

True ... the nearest thing to Cumberland is someone called Workthington.

[suzard]

I have just studied the armed forces record for Septimus -parts are very faint but this is what I think they say

Marriage
Sarah Smith
Sarah carter widpow
spinster crossed through
marriage 26/05/1916 Reg Office Skipton

It looks like at first he had put Sarah Smith then underneath spinster
but then realised he should have put widow -so between Sarah Smith spinster -Sarah Carter widow has been entered and then spinster crossed through -as I said it is very faint

then underneath the 3 children are listed with the d.o.b.'s I posted previously . The 3 children are bracketed together and in the left hand column is written (what looks like) illegitimate. The 2 eldest children are bracketed together to the right and written is (what looks like) B/C ret verified 14/11/1916 -it seems the eldest 2 children's birth certs had to be shown to prove they were Septimus' children (maybe he had his name put on the birth cert -as they were registered as "Coulton" ) the 3rd child (Frederick) was born overseas
So it looks like Sarah Carter married Mr Smith - Mr Smith may have died -or Sarah left him to be with Septimus -it seems they lived as man and wife and had children  but didn't marry until 1916 - maybe Mr Smith didn't died until then - or maybe he was in the armed forces and went missing and a period of time had to elapse before he could be declared "deceased"??

I'll see if I can find Sarah earlier

Suz

[David Hankey]

To, clearly & Geoff-E,

Thank you for your input, however, you will clearly see from the responses I have had, which I am truly grateful, a great deal had been unearthed.

These replies have helped me enormously and although some have created other issues which I am in the throes of resolving being pedantic over Westmorland or Cumberland is somewhat insignificant.

If you are both able to add to what has already been offered I'd be pleased to hear from you further.

Thanks, David

[suzard]

It seems Ada Ward was sister to Sarah Carter/Smith/Coulton

More in a mo

Suz

[suzard]

Marriage reg FreeBMD
Dec qtr 1896
Rugby
on same page
Ada Carter
Roger Ward
6d 1137
(it seems Roger Ward was a military man and rose to rank of Sergeant-was also a prisoner of war)

Marriage reg FreeBMD
Jun qtr 1899
Basford
on same page
William Henry Smith
Sarah Carter
7b 297

1901
17 Wesley St Carrington Nottingham
Ada Ward head M 24 Sunderland Durham
Minnie G daughter 2 Nottingham
Walter R son 6mths Portsmouth
John Carter father widower 53 Tramway lab N.K.
John Carter brother 10 Manchester Lancs
Charles Knight Boarder U 24 Miner Coal Hewer Denbighshire
RG13 3187 110 20

Ada Ward had a daughter -also named Ada - it seems she was visiting her Aunt Sarah who was using the name Sally (a common nickname for Sarah)

1901
38 Broadgate Beeston Nottinghamshire
William Hy Smith Head M 23 Postman GPO Long Whatton Leics
SALLY SMITH wife M 21 Leeds Yks
Ada Ward visitor 4 Carrington Notts
RG13 3153 175 37

investigating a little more

Suz

[suzard]

Here they are together

1881
29 Bridge St Lincoln
John Carter Head M 26 ag lab Corsham Hampshire
Annie wife 26 Ormsby Yorks
Ada daughter 3 Sunderland Durham
Sarah daughter 1 Leeds Yks

RG11 3243 17 28

Suz

[suzard]

I am fairly convinced William Henry Smith (Sarah's husband ) was alive in 1911 - so Sarah must have left him for Septimus - am finding it difficult to find a death for William Henry as there are so many with similar name - and I don't know where he moved to ??

Suz

[suzard]

Septimus in 1901

Main St Embassy Skipton Yks
Thomas King Head M 50 Navvy Bristol Somerset
Sarah wife 43 Kendall Westmorland
Margaret daughter 18 Bethel Green Westmorland
Thomas son 15 Point Turner  on new railway Kendal Westmorland
Ernest son 14 Tool carrier Rlwy lab Kendall Westmorland
SAP COULTON Boarder single 20 Steam Navvy Driver Burton on Holne Westmorland

there were also 7 more Boarders who were "navvies" and 1 boarder who was a "shoeing smith"
RG13 4031 71 3

Suz