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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #9 on: Saturday 06 October 12 19:06 BST (UK) »
That marriage can't be for 'my ' Joseph I feel as he is shown as a batchelor when he married Sarah..  :-\
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #10 on: Saturday 06 October 12 19:12 BST (UK) »
1871 census

John Summerfield 49 boatman b Frodsham
Mary 49 wife b Newton
Ellen 21 dau unmarr b Liverpool Lancs
John 16 son boatman b Runcorn
Thomas 14 son ditto b ditto
Margaret 11 dau b ditto
William 9 son b ditto
Joseph Furnival 25 son in law  mariner b Runcorn
Joseph Furnival 4mths gr son b ditto
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #11 on: Saturday 06 October 12 19:14 BST (UK) »
But he also has 2 daughter born a long time before the second marriage.So its possible Ellen died not long before 1886 when this marriage took place.The age matches the age given on the Banns for marriage in 1870
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 October 12 19:18 BST (UK) »
theres a death for an Ellen Furnival 1873 Runcorn aged 23 .So maybe by 1886 he considered himself a bachelor
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #13 on: Saturday 06 October 12 20:13 BST (UK) »
Wow !  Thank you so much  :) 

Looks like Ellen may have died having her second child John Henry, I thought that she may have, so many thanks for finding her.  I think I should perhaps get the marriage cert for Joseph & Ellen in 1870 this is then going to give me the details for Joseph and his father.  This will hopefully then lead to either a second marriage ( possibly to Sarah) or maybe even the death reg. that Phil found.   
Thank you again everyone for your input, a special thanks to Isobelruss, I shall order the cert and see where I need to head for the next step....

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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #14 on: Saturday 06 October 12 21:35 BST (UK) »
There is no fathers name on the Banns just says deceased
Joseph Furnival 21 bachelor waterman Sankey Bridges father deceased
Ellen Summerfield 21 spinster Sankey Bridges father John Summerfield waterman
Banns read May 8,15,22 1870
 marriage St Elphin Warrington
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 October 12 11:07 BST (UK) »
Ohh.. thanks so much for getting this information for me it really is very much appreciated.  What a shame... Joseph's father listed as 'deceased' and no name!   I'm not convinced about the marriage for Joseph Furnival to Sarah...  I wonder.. was his illegitimate? and rather than list his father, he just 'announced' that he was deceased.  Before I send for the cert,  I will have a look for births for Joseph Furnival's and see if I can find anything further.

Thank you again, really is appreciated  ;D
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 October 12 11:28 BST (UK) »
Ahh... but what about this one (just found on familysearch) Joseph Furnival to Sarah Jane Lloyd ..intended marriage at St Elphin's Warrington, Lancashire by lic. 6 May 1883. Joseph is aged 32yrs and a widower.  Sarah Jane is single (no age) so did they intend to marry at St Elphins and then three years later marry at Daresbury?  Sorry, I will take it all back... I am now convinced about Joseph & Sarah  ;) should never have doubted you!  It was the batchelor that was throwing me!   
So it looks more likely that Joseph may have been illegitimate if his father is William Redford?
Whose children are Mary E (13) and Martha (11) in the 1891 census if Sarah is only aged 29? I wonder... well... Sarah would have been 16 when Mary was born so of course a possibility!
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Re: Joseph Furnival & Ellen Summerfield - Cheshire?
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 October 12 16:01 BST (UK) »
I wonder if this could be Joseph 1861

James Evan 42 unmarr boot and shoe maker b Runcorn
Sarah A Furnival 36 boarder unmarr washerwoman b ditto
Joseph Furnival 12 son slte dresser b ditto
Mill Brow Runcorn
Russells in Westmorland,Lancashire<br />Rileys Halifax,Rochdale<br />Graingers Hull Yorks<br />Coles Northampton<br />Transcribed the whole of Westmorland 41 census<br />and Rochdale 61 <br /><br />Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk