Author Topic: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder  (Read 14623 times)

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #9 on: Wednesday 19 November 14 14:31 GMT (UK) »
Hi John,
Thank you so much for the information.I have been stuck for some time with this side of the family, so thought I would try the Irish side,should have stuck with the McGregors.
regards Mary
stewarts and mcgregors,gibsons,perthshire,mcintosh denny area.thomsons bannockburn,kerr,stevenson,thomsons and mooney ireland

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #10 on: Thursday 20 November 14 19:51 GMT (UK) »
No problem Mary.

I've been collecting Balquhidder Clan Gregor data for years, trying to discover patterns in the family names and locations, to help me figure out my own tree. But they're just guesses. So please treat them as suggestions, rather than facts. If it helps, I've attached a screenshot of the Hugh families. Looking at it again, I think the father of John might be Hugh senior, rather than junior. Although Mary Fisher is closer in age to the latter, the children's names are a better fit for the former.

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #11 on: Friday 21 November 14 19:10 GMT (UK) »
Wow, thanks again John.
That should keep me busy for a while.
Mary
stewarts and mcgregors,gibsons,perthshire,mcintosh denny area.thomsons bannockburn,kerr,stevenson,thomsons and mooney ireland

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #12 on: Saturday 06 December 14 16:57 GMT (UK) »
Thank you John - this is absolutely fascinating! Was DRUMMOND one of the names that the MCGREGORs took when their name was proscribed? And now I may have MCLAREN to add to my tree it seems. I have lots of avenues to check out now!

Mary
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Fletcher of Glen Orchy, Argyll, McGregor of Argyll and Balquhidder, Perth, Mathison, Laidlaw, Forsyth of Dumfriesshire, McMillan, Johnston, Galbraith, Nicholson of Argyll, McPhail, McArthur, McKinnon, McLean, Paterson from Isle of Mull


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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #13 on: Sunday 07 December 14 20:00 GMT (UK) »
Yes. In 1714 Sir Alexander, (or Alasdair), MacGregor, (or Drummond), the 4th of Balhaldie, was elected chief of Clan Gregor. His son William succeeded him in 1743, and his grandson Alexander in 1765. They were supporters of the Stuart monarchy, and from 1739 William lived in exile with the Stuarts in Paris and Rome. So, during this period many clan families took on the name Drummond, to signify their allegiance to their chief, and to the Jacobite cause.


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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #14 on: Sunday 07 December 14 20:08 GMT (UK) »
Wonderful! Thanks again. Is there any way you can send me that chart in another form? I cannot seem to read it as is or even if I download it.
Fletcher of Glen Orchy, Argyll, McGregor of Argyll and Balquhidder, Perth, Mathison, Laidlaw, Forsyth of Dumfriesshire, McMillan, Johnston, Galbraith, Nicholson of Argyll, McPhail, McArthur, McKinnon, McLean, Paterson from Isle of Mull

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #15 on: Sunday 07 December 14 21:59 GMT (UK) »
As the MacGregor name was proscribed it could not be used on a legal document hence the use of Drummond, Campbell etc' the names of the great landowners on whose estates they lived.

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #16 on: Sunday 07 December 14 22:40 GMT (UK) »
Here is the relevant section as text [Part One];

The first family is probably the Hugh Drummond Snr. mention in the Statistics of Annexed Estates 1755-56;

1734 Heugh Drummond late McGregor married Janet McGregor [both Balquhidder parish]
1736 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor son John Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1738 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor son Duncan Easter Auchtow Balquhidder
1739 Hugh McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Margaret Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1742 Ewen McGregor/Janet McGregor son Robert Wester Auchtoo Balquhidder
1746 Hugh Drummond/...Buchanan son John Auchtoomor Balquhidder
1749 Hugh Dow Drummond/...McGregor son Duncan Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1750 Hugh Drummond McGregor/...McGregor son Alexander Achtow Balquhidder
1753 Hugh Dow Drummond/...McGregor son Alexander Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1755 Hugh Drummond/...McGregor son Donald Achtow Balquhidder

There was another McGregor family living there at the time, which may be his brother;

1739 Duncan McGregor married Janet McLaren [both Balquhidder parish]
1740 Duncan McGregor/[Janet McLaren] son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1743 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLsaren daughter Janet Auchtoo Balquhidder
1746 Duncan Drummond/...McLaren daughter Christian Cuilt Balquhidder
1747 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLaren son Hugh Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1749 Duncan Drummond/Janet McLaren son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder

If so, then the names of their children suggest their father's name might have been John.

The next family is probably the Hugh Drummond Jnr. mention in the Annexed Estates. He may be a son of Hugh Drummond senior, although there is no record of his christening;

1754 Hugh Drummond younger/Margaret McLaren Alexander Achtow Balquhidder (fornication)
1757 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1759 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Duncan Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1761 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Hugh Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1763 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Christian Easter Achtow Balquhidder
1764 Hugh Drummond/Mary McLaren Patrick Achtowmore Balquhidder

Also living there was this family, who is probably the Hugh B. Drummond mentioned in the Annexed Estates, (ban means fair haired);

1755 Hugh ban Drmmond/...McIntyre Janet Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1759 Hugh Dummond/Janet McIntyre Betterage Easter Auchtow Balquhidder
1761 Hugh Drummond/Janet McIntyre Margaret Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1764 Hugh Drummond/Jannet McIntyre John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1765 Hugh Baan McGregor fornicated with McLias in Dunc Stewart's shieling in Corrarb [1763] [Robert McNie's daughter]
1769 Hugh Bane Drummond/Janet McIntyre Christian Auchtowmore Balquhidder

Amelia MacGregor publishes a testament in her History of the Clan Gregor [Page 214-215]. It was collected around 1813-1817;

"Robert MacGregor in Middle Achtow, one of the Elders of the Parish of Balquhidder, aged 74, is the sixth generation of MacGregors who have lived in Achtow. His father was born in 1701 and lived to the age of 77."

He is probably this family, and the son of Hugh Drummond Senior above;

1774 Robert McGregor married Margaret McLaren [both Balquhidder parish]
1775 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son Hugh Easter Auchtoo Balquhidder
1777 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Janet Achtowmore Balquhidder
1779 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Mary Auchlone Balquhidder
1781 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son John Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1783 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Margaret Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1785 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son James Wester Auchtan Balquhidder
1787 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren daughter Elizabeth Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1788 Robert McGregor/Margaret McLaren son James Balquhidder

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Re: John McGregor and Mary Fisher from Balquhidder
« Reply #17 on: Sunday 07 December 14 22:41 GMT (UK) »
[Part Two]
There were several Johns living there at the same time as Robert, as each of the Hughs had a son called John. Given the names of their children, (around this time a Highland tradition of naming the first born after the grandparents, then the parents, and then the siblings and friends, became very popular, as can be seen with Robert's family above), I think John, the son of Hugh senior and brother of Robert, born 1746, married Mary Fisher, the daughter of Patrick Fisher and Christian Mclaren, born 1756;

1778 John McGregor married Mary Fisher [both Balquhidder parish]
1779 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Janet Auchtoumore Balquhidder
1780 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Christian Auchtaramore Balquhidder
1782 John McGregor/Mary Fisher son Hugh Easter Auchtowhead Balquhidder
1785 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Margaret Achtoumore Balquhidder
1786 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Jean Auchlarmore Balquhidder
1789 John McGregor/Mary Fisher son Patrick Auchtumore Balquhidder
1793 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Bettridge Auchtowmore Balquhidder
1795 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Mary Achtumore Balquhidder
1797 John McGregor/Mary Fisher daughter Kathrine Liascridan Balquhidder
1800 John McGregor [lately deceased]/Mary Fisher daughter Joanna Lidenscridan Balquhidder

John the son of Hugh junior, born 1757, is probably this family;

1790 John McGregor of Auchtumore married Janet McGregor of Ruscachan
1791 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Hugh Auchtoomore Balquhidder
1792 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Patrick Innerviach Balquhidder
1793 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Peter Inneriach Balquhidder

John the son of Hugh ban, born 1764, and Janet the daughter of Robert, born 1777, is probably this family, (based on their children's names, and for Janet the census records and her sisters' death certificates);

1798 John McGregor married Janet McGregor [clandestine marriage]
1800 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Janet Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1802 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Hugh Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1804 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son John Easter Achtu Balquhidder
1807 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Robert Middle Achtu Balquhidder
1810 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Janet Middle Achtou Balquhidder
1813 John McGregor/Janet McGregor daughter Margaret Achtu Balquhidder
1819 John McGregor/Janet McGregor son Duncan Auchleskine Balquhidder

If you're interested, I collated the records from here;

http://www.clangregor.com/parish-records/balquhidder-parish-baptisms/