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Offline Annette7

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 14 October 12 11:59 BST (UK) »
Was Doris' second husband surnamed Kingsley?   If so, this marriage took place 1943 which would mean Edward died before then.

CWGC shows an Edward Griffiths in the Royal Navy died 1/6/1940 - no age shown so this could possibly be him.

Also, if your previous theory, which looks extremely promising, is correct, then Edward Spencer and Alice Griffiths married in 1906 - that Edward Griffiths birth is reg'd Dec.qtr.1904 Wolverhampton.   His legal name would be Griffiths as he was born prior to the marriage.

However, as already stated, the only way to proceed with any certainty is to get his marriage certificate.

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #10 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 14:07 BST (UK) »
Yes it was Kingsley :)
ohh that could be, if i was to get the death record would it give anymore information?
I'll have to purchase the marriage cert.
So he was born out of wedlock, very bad!
i think he also had a fair few siblings, but its difficult to tell because of the common surnames really

Joel
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Wolverhampton:Hill, Griffiths, Harper, Whitehouse, Tarbuck, Asprey
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Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #11 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 16:06 BST (UK) »
His death is listed on FindMyPast Naval Ratings.

The information you need to order a certificate is:

Edward Griffiths     Rating - C.E.R.A.       Ship - Basilisk

Year - 1940   Vol. 4    Page 1570.

I've never had to order a military death certificate so don't know what information it contains.   It should at least have his age on it but I doubt it would show who his parents were.

The marriage certificate might be the better bet first of all.   If Edward Spencer was his father it should state it - if he is shown with no father witnesses might help to identify him and with his address you can check the electoral roll for that year to see who exactly was living there.

You are sort of between a rock and a hard place here!

Good luck (and let us know what either/or certificates reveal).

Annette
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Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 16:47 BST (UK) »
I'll have to order them soon to get a good idea then
I know there's a photo of him somewhere in uniform, so I guess that'll be a clincher for the whole navy thing aswell, which will be cool as it will be my first navy ancestor :)
Even though I have no idea what a 'Chief Engine Room Artificer' would do
Hopefully with the marriage cert aswell, I'll break past this brick wall!

Joel
Research Intrests.
Manchester:Fraser, Jennings, Reid, Worsley
Wolverhampton:Hill, Griffiths, Harper, Whitehouse, Tarbuck, Asprey
Willenhall:Aston
Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid


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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #13 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 18:55 BST (UK) »
From 'googling' I found this relating to WWl:

To operate an Engine Room:

Chief Engine Room Artificer in overall charge of one set of boilers, engines, etc.
Petty Officer Artificer Engine Room Artificer as throttle jockey
+ 2 stokes.

Annette 
Scopes (One-Name Study - Worldwide)
Suffolk - Grist, Knights, Bullenthorpe, Watcham
Scotland - Spence, Horne, Cowan, Moffat
London -  Monk

Don't walk behind me, I may not lead.   Don't walk in front of me, I may not follow.   Just walk beside me and be my friend.

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #14 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 19:08 BST (UK) »
Though it should be unnecesary........ I have sent a PM.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #15 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 20:09 BST (UK) »
Thank you both of you
Looks like he went down on the HMS Basilisk during the Dunkirk evacuation, that's quite and interesting piece of history their :)
Hopefully they'll be some way of proving my Edward was that Edward, it's the only one that fits :)
Research Intrests.
Manchester:Fraser, Jennings, Reid, Worsley
Wolverhampton:Hill, Griffiths, Harper, Whitehouse, Tarbuck, Asprey
Willenhall:Aston
Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #16 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 20:16 BST (UK) »
Theres a medal for an Edward Griffiths who was aboard the HMS Basilisk, could anyone retrieve this record for me?

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Joel
Research Intrests.
Manchester:Fraser, Jennings, Reid, Worsley
Wolverhampton:Hill, Griffiths, Harper, Whitehouse, Tarbuck, Asprey
Willenhall:Aston
Wales:Griffiths,Jennings
Warwickshire: Harper
Ireland County Dublin: Reid

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Re: A bit of tricky one!
« Reply #17 on: Wednesday 17 October 12 21:36 BST (UK) »
I can well understand your reluctance to spend money on Certificates!For all the thousands in my Tree I have probably bought one certificate for every thousand people in my Tree"

However there is always a further angle to explore.I would put up another thread on the Staffordshire Board on this Site to find out if someone can locate the venue of the 1928 marriage.If it is found that the marriage took place in one of the C of E Churches in Wolverhampton then there is always the possibility that some kind person on here may be able to do a Look-Up for the marriage at  the Local Archives.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk