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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #18 on: Thursday 26 March 15 20:55 GMT (UK) »
Found a death in the paper

Leicester Chronicle 22 October 1842
On the 6th inst.. at Kibworth Beauchamp, in her 83rd year, Mrs. Anne Bale

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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #19 on: Thursday 26 March 15 21:24 GMT (UK) »
Yes, that's the one I think was my ancestor.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
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Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #20 on: Thursday 26 March 15 21:36 GMT (UK) »
I've just tracked down a photo I once took of William and Mary's gravestone at Kibworth; this is the inscription:

To
The memory of
William Lole
and Mary his wife

He died March 20
1765 aged 68 years

She died July the 6th
1770 aged 93 years

I hadn't noticed that age difference before! It doesn't sound terribly likely but the photo looks clear enough! It would account for their not having had any children when they married in 1730!

Anyway, that gives useful potential dob for William of 1697  (and for Mary of 1677 -- the cradle snatcher!)
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #21 on: Saturday 28 March 15 00:35 GMT (UK) »
Just thought I would note this one from the Northants stray marriages

Thomas Lander Naseby Hannah Jackson OTP 1739 Kibworth Beauchamp Lei BT's

Had a look at Jeremiah's will and think it's Mary Neale married to Edward, had a look at marriages

Kibworth Beauchamp   16-Apr   1770   Banns   
Edward   Neal   OTP            
Mary   Jackson   OTP
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #22 on: Saturday 28 March 15 18:42 GMT (UK) »
Just spotted this in the very first reply from Mike (RIP)

Aylestone
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1787.Joseph. Of Lawton. ~ Mary Bunney.

possibly this = Laughton? Could this be Joses of Laughton? Joses is a strange name but repeated in Cornelius's will, and mentioned re Joses's will himself.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
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Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #23 on: Sunday 29 March 15 18:04 BST (UK) »
Got some more info re Jeremiah Jackson, Mary Lole's "cousin";

bapt 1719 Kibworth, father "Jer"  ( no mother's name given)
Siblings bapt at KB: Hannah 1718, William 1722, John 1727  (ties in perfectly with JJ's will)
Jeremiah Snr seems to have died in 1744.

I can't see a marriage for Jeremiah snr and of course what I want is his wife's m/name! Can anyone see it anywhere? I'm going to start a linked thread specifically for this to try to catch any new eyes too.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #24 on: Sunday 29 March 15 22:57 BST (UK) »
Didn't want to mix the threads, do you think this could be the niece Hannah Bryan,

Kibworth Beauchamp   15-Nov   1779   B   
Hannah   Jackson   OTP            
Robert   Bryan    Saddington

There is a an earlier another marriage for a Hannah Jackson too.

Am a bit stuck as he lists children of William then nieces but no father's name for them

Freereg
Place   Kibworth Beauchamp
Church   St. Wilfrid   
Baptism Date   15 Jun 1752
Forename    Hannah
Father Forename   William
Mother Forename   
Father Surname   JACKSON
Mother Surname   
Abode   S.W

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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #25 on: Monday 13 April 15 14:10 BST (UK) »
A big jump forwards today c/o the fiches at the records office!

Will of Joses Lole, yeoman of Laughton; written 19.9.1787, probate issued 26.4.1790
His children are listed in this order: Son in law Edward Carter and Elizabeth his wife (messuage in Laughton to them)
then everything split evenly between his sons and daughters Daniel Lole, Joseph Lole, Sarah wife of John Gibson of Walgrave; Elizabeth (as above); Ann wife of William Bale; Hannah wife of Thomas Swingler of Kibworth Harcourt.

So then I looked at the BMD fiches for Laughton; they begin at 1754 which is not quite early enough!! But I got these baptisms, all for children of Joses and Mary Lole:
Daniel 14 Oct 1754; Elizabeth 18.4.1756; Alice 19.7.1758; Joseph 13.4.1760; James 1.7.1762; Ann June 1765 (not fully leg); Hannah 19.10.1766

Also of interest:
Burial Jan 3 1761; Ann Lole in the 101 year of her age

and possibly Josas's wife
burial (full date illeg) 1774 Mary wife of Jos Low   (couldn't see any other Lows in the BMDs so suspect this should be Lole).

So that's my Ann bapt 1765, about whom I started this thread - brick wall crumbling at last after several years!

I would guess from the order of offspring given in the will that Sarah was probably the oldest and as she married in 1767 I'd guess a marriage for Joses and Mary around 1750ish. Such a shame that the Laughton fiches don't go back that far!
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Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #26 on: Monday 13 April 15 14:15 BST (UK) »
(Break in thread to try to avoid confusion!)

So Mary Lole nee Roper, who married William in 1730, described Cornelius Lole as "nephew". Cornelius described Joses as "brother". Mary also described Sarah Gibson of Walgrave as "niece" but in fact she was Joses's daughter.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but does this work?

William Lole b around 1698 according to his tombstone -- must have had at least one brother, X.
X had children including Cornelius (b 1720 according to his marriage licence) and Joses -- who would then have been William's nephews (so Mary's nephews by marriage)
and if this is correct, Joses children (inc my Ann) would have been Wm and Mary's great nieces and nephews

???

I couldn't see the listed will for Christopher Lole at the records office but if he was in Laughton in the 1600s, perhaps the Loles did come from there but the records have disappeared.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)