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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #54 on: Saturday 25 April 15 15:45 BST (UK) »
Not good news regarding further info, I'm afaid.

The reference given for Christopher Lole's will does not match the will held on that microfiche. The lady at the records office tried hard to be helpful and has taken my details, says she will look into this further next week and let me know if she finds anything.

I had a look at the details of the will for Samuel Lole (spelled Loole) of Lubbenham, as Lubbenham is pretty close to Laughton I thought this might be useful - but in fact all it was was letters of administration as he died intestate. So the only info here is that Samuel died in 1787 and had a wife called Ann.

I double checked Mary's will and the exact wording is
"My nephew Cornelius Lole and my niece Sarah Gibson of Waldgrave, Northamptonshire"
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #55 on: Saturday 25 April 15 20:09 BST (UK) »
Went back to see if I could find Cornelius Lole, noted the Gibsons and wasn't sure what you had

Cornelius Gibson son of John and Sarah baptised at Walgrave C of E 1774 7 Aug
John  1771 25 Dec
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #56 on: Tuesday 28 April 15 09:17 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Having a few minutes to spare the other day, I searched for the Sims that were mentioned in Cornelius Lole’s Will of 1779 (proved in 1780)

My transcription included
“…. I give and divest all that my freehold estate consisting of two closes of pasture ground situated, lying and being at Laughton near Market Harborough in the county of Leicester with the rights __________ and appurtenances thereto belonging, now in the occupation of my brother, Joses Lole, unto Benjamin Sims of Martson in Northamptonshire [Martson St Lawrence], farmer and his heirs for and during the life of my brother, Joses Lole….”

Timothy and Joseph Sims have too many listings but I did find a reference to Benjamin Sims in ‘Find my Past’ referring to the Northamptonshire and Rutland Probate Index Transcription.
Number – 08 May BENJAMIN SIMS, year 1795, farmer of Marston Trussell. He left a Will.
Oops! I Googled Marston Northamptonshire and got the incorrect one!
Marston Trussell is near Daventry.
Maybe if we could get a copy of this Will, there might be more information about the Lole family.

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #57 on: Tuesday 28 April 15 13:14 BST (UK) »
Daventry is in Northamptonshire so this may be right ( the only sims I'd found were marston in Oxfordshire which is clearly wrong)
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Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
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Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #58 on: Tuesday 28 April 15 20:47 BST (UK) »
Have you got this?

UK, Poll Books and Electoral Registers, 1538-1893
Name:    Benjamin Simms
Poll Year:    1775
Parish or Rectory:    Marston Trussles
County:    Leicestershire
Has a freehold in Lubbenham

There's also

Name:    William Lole
Poll Year:    1741
Hundred:    Gartree
Parish or Rectory:    Kibworth Beauchamp
County:    Leicestershire
Freehold Rolleston

Name:    Corelins Lole....Looks like Corolius
Poll Year:    1749
Parish or Rectory:    St Paul Covent Garden and St Martin Le Grand
Henrietta Street Coffeeman

Name:    Cotelius Lole
Poll Year:    1749
Parish or Rectory:    St Paul Covent Garden and St Martin Le Grand
Same details
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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #59 on: Monday 28 November 16 16:37 GMT (UK) »
Updating and ongoing!

I finally got to the Leic records office today.

Christopher Lole m Mary Astell in Husband's Bosworth on July 15  1648. Both OTP. (Mary was either daughter of Thomas Astill b 1625 or William Astill b 1628). I found 2 baptisms for Christopher's and Mary's children at Husband's Bosworth -- Mary, 1651, and Anne 1653. No Loles in the PRs after that. I couldn't identify any Loles before the marriage either but the records are not very easy to read this far back.

Christopher, a husbandsman of Laughton, died intestate there in 1674. Admin was issued to his widow Mary and to Edmund Astill and Thomas Barton. It seems the Loles were reasonably comfortable - estate worth £99 after all debts paid; and literate - two bibles and other books were mentioned in the inventory.

I presume that the family moved to Laughton after Anne's birth. We know from above that they had a son John who went into apprenticeship in London; I'm guessing there must have been at least one other son who stayed in Laughton and was perhaps the father of Joses, Cornelius and maybe William.

The Laughton PRs don't exist pre-1754 so I am stuck re this missing generation.

Anybody got any other ideas?
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Greenfield (Liverpool)
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Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #60 on: Sunday 04 October 20 21:29 BST (UK) »
I'm updating this old thread in case any of the previous participants are interested.

PRs from Laughton pre-1740 are now online! Heaven knows where they were kept -- they weren't at the record office when I looked years ago.

Anyway, some light is shed on the Loles but some things appear less clear.

In a nutshell, one William and Ann Lole baptised 6 children in Laughton between 1684 - 1707. Then there's a gap, then Joses was baptised in 1712. His father was also named as William -- his mother possibly Ann but very difficult to read.

We already know that Christopher had died in 1674, and William and Ann called their second son Christopher, so it's tempting to assume that this older William was Christopher's son.

There's no baptism for a Cornelius and tbh if the first child was 1684, I find it difficult to believe that the last (C) would be born 1720, as per C's marriage licence. But C does state that his brother was Joses --- confusing! Unless, of course, William (snr) married twice?

Re William who died in 1765 - There is no baptism listed, but there is a gap between 1695 – 1707 in the baptisms above, which would fit with William’s yob (1698) according to his tombstone.

Joses Lole married Sarah Cooper in 1737, and had 2 children, John and Ann, before the register ends in 1739. The years from 1739-1754 are missing. There's no burial for Sarah Lole and after 1754, the children all have a mother called Mary, so Sarah must have died and Joses remarried in that timeframe.

I've looked through all the images on screen between 1712 - 1739, rather than relying on transcripts, so hope I've not missed anything.
Bradbury (Sedgeley, Bilston, Warrington)
Cooper (Sedgeley, Bilston)
Kilner/Kilmer (Leic, Notts)
Greenfield (Liverpool)
Holyland (Anywhere and everywhere, also Holiland Holliland Hollyland)
Pryce/Price (Welshpool, Liverpool)
Rawson (Leicester)
Upton (Desford, Leics)
Partrick (Vera and George, Leicester)
Marshall (Westmorland, Cheshire/Leicester)

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Re: Lole, Kibworth
« Reply #61 on: Saturday 10 October 20 20:52 BST (UK) »
I have read through again and am still looking!
Don't know if it will help but have have apprentice refs now, no microfiche number so not sure what is at the records office

Joseph Lole is in Leicester for all of the records below

Father Joseph Lole
Daniel was apprenticed to his father 1811 FWK
Samuel was apprenticed to his father 1812 FWK

Apprenticed to Joseph Lole FWK
1793 Robert Smith son of Henry Smith, Leicester Woolcomber
1795 John Branson son of Richard Branson, Woolcomber of Great Wigston
1796 William Bell from Overseers Leicester St. Martin's until the age of 21
1801 Samuel Cutler son of John Cutler Deceased, Leicester Coachman for 6 years
1803 Joseph Ashby from Overseers Kibworth Harcourt until the age of 21
1804 William Horrobin son of William Horrobin Deceased, Leicester Gardener


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Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

Census Transcriptions are Crown Copyright from National Archives