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Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« on: Saturday 03 November 12 01:54 GMT (UK) »
Looking for William Garrett and Mary Quinn. Scotland???
Possibly born circa 1800 married circa 1820


On the Death Reg of their 2 sons in Melbourne.

This couple was listed as the parents of John Garrett

and on his brother Robert, Reg: William Garrett and Mary ?

John and Robert where born approx 1822 and 1825
Birth Place Unknown

Robert Married Mary Hay in Govan Lannark Scotland


I have this couple referenced in another Roots thread need to go further in finding them.
DEWSTOWE/DUSTOW, WADE, REED, ROGERS, GARRETT, HAY, KERR, BAS-TED HUSBAND  COOKE/COOK, GOWER, JEFFREYS,DAVIES, OATES or OATS, , GREASLEY/GREASLY, BIRD, BOSWELL, WILLEY, WHEADON, PARKER, ABBOTT?(maybe not related), JONES, QUINN, SCOTT, ISBESTER or ISBISTER?, LLOYD, RICHARDS, WHETTALL
Names come from Redruth, Cornwall, Wales, Scotland and possibly Ireland. And other parts of England.
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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 03 November 12 09:04 GMT (UK) »
As Robert and Mary were married in 1852, you should be able to find each of them separately in the 1851 census, which will tell you where they were born. Garrett isn't that common a surname. Also, have you looked at the original of the marriage entry? It might, for instance, tell you Robert's occupation, which would help to find him in the census.

A search in the Scotland's People index at  for Rob* Gar*t, aged 15 to 25, in the 1851 census, produces two results. To view these, and to view the marriage entry, go to www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk, invest in 30 credits at modest cost, and use 6 to view the marriage and one more to view the 1851 census index. It will then cost you 5 credits each to view the two census listings.

If they were in England, there are various commercial sites where you can view the original census, and quite a lot of transcriptions of varying quality.

Quinn is an Irish name, so there is a possibility that John and Robert were born in Ireland.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.

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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 03 November 12 09:48 GMT (UK) »
FreeCEN(1851 transcription) has a Robt Garret age 21 in Inch Wigtownshire which may be one of the results that Forfarian has found.
His father is Wm Garret but I think this ties in with -

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XY3H-S2G

Can't see anything else likely on freeCEN which is far from complete

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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 03 November 12 10:03 GMT (UK) »
Can't see anything else likely on freeCEN which is far from complete

No. That was why I suggested SP - in particular Govan is incomplete.
Never trust anything you find online (especially submitted trees and transcriptions on Ancestry, MyHeritage, FindMyPast and other commercial web sites) unless it's an image of an original document - and even then be wary because errors can and do occur.


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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 03 November 12 13:47 GMT (UK) »
Hi Floozy

There is an online tree for a John Stephen Garrett, son of a William G and a Mary Quinn. This John's birth is given later than you show, in 1833 in the Isle of Mann. His marriage in 1858, Victoria to Mary Maughan.

Have you confirmed, from likely their death certs, that both Robert and John, that you have as brothers, both show these parents? When did they arrive in Australia? Can't see any Scottish born children for Robert and wife Mary Hay so likely they left shortly after their marriage for Australia?

Can't see anything that would fit for them as a family in 1841 or 1851 really in Scotland so far...

Monica  :)
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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 03 November 12 18:05 GMT (UK) »
From Ancestry 1851
the family in Inch Wigtown
William Garret-----61-----farmer of 50 Acres 1 woman?-----born Inch
Elizabeth  "--------27-----farmers daughter
James-------"-------23-----employed on farm
Robert-------"------21-----employed on farm
William------"-------19-----employed on farm
Mary Morrison-----20------General servant--------------------born Whithorn
all children born Inch
no sign of wife Mary
Elaine
Given,McCorkindale,Kennaway.Wylie,Cameron,Mooney,McCloskey,Black,
McCafferty,Gillespie,Jamieson,Keith,Adam,Quigley,Ainslie,
McHugh,Malone,Fisher,Burns,Gallacher,Nelson,Dunleavy,Brannan,
Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay,Steele,King,Allison

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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 03 November 12 18:10 GMT (UK) »
I dont think it is the same family
looking at 1841 same family
mother's name is Annabella.
Given,McCorkindale,Kennaway.Wylie,Cameron,Mooney,McCloskey,Black,
McCafferty,Gillespie,Jamieson,Keith,Adam,Quigley,Ainslie,
McHugh,Malone,Fisher,Burns,Gallacher,Nelson,Dunleavy,Brannan,
Docherty,McCluskey,Fitzpatrick,Barclay,Steele,King,Allison

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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 03 November 12 21:45 GMT (UK) »
This is the info I have Re: Robert and John.


Here is the Death Reg: of John and Robert

Noted: age wrong for John

GARRETT John
Father William   Mother Mary QUINN
Richmond 53 years [?transcription error]  1885  Reg#10161

GARRETT Robert
Father Garrett William  Mother Mary UNKNOWN
Richmond  71 years 1896 Reg#11245

Melbourne Cemetary:

Sacred
to the memory of
Robert GARRETT
died 29 Aug 1896 age 71 yrs

also his sons
William Scott
died 19 Apr 1871 age 18 yrs

James Hay
died 23 May 1874 age 19 yrs


and his brother
John
died 15 Sep 1885 age 63 yrs


also Mary
wife of above
Robert GARRETT
died 13 Oct 1898 age 73 yrs


and their only daughter
Mary Hay
died 26 Feb 1922 age 62 yrs.


Surname: GARRETT
Given Names: Mary
Event: D
Spouse Surname/Father: Hay Jas
Spouse Gvn Names/Mother: Elizth HAY
Age: 73
Death Place: Rmond
Year: 1898
Reg. Number: 18064


Melbourne Cemetary: Memorial

Sacred
to the memory of
Robert GARRETT
died 29 Aug 1896 age 71 yrs (Birth 1825 circa)

also his sons
William Scott
died 19 Apr 1871 age 18 yrs

James Hay
died 23 May 1874 age 19 yrs


and his brother
John
died 15 Sep 1885 age 63 yrs ( Birth Circa 1822)


also Mary
wife of above
Robert GARRETT
died 13 Oct 1898 age 73 yrs


and their only daughter
Mary Hay
died 26 Feb 1922 age 62 yrs.


DEWSTOWE/DUSTOW, WADE, REED, ROGERS, GARRETT, HAY, KERR, BAS-TED HUSBAND  COOKE/COOK, GOWER, JEFFREYS,DAVIES, OATES or OATS, , GREASLEY/GREASLY, BIRD, BOSWELL, WILLEY, WHEADON, PARKER, ABBOTT?(maybe not related), JONES, QUINN, SCOTT, ISBESTER or ISBISTER?, LLOYD, RICHARDS, WHETTALL
Names come from Redruth, Cornwall, Wales, Scotland and possibly Ireland. And other parts of England.
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Not neccesarily Scottish Garrett/Quinn
« Reply #8 on: Saturday 03 November 12 22:05 GMT (UK) »
Where is this online tree you found I havent found this in my searchs. thanks Floozy



Hi Floozy

There is an online tree for a John Stephen Garrett, son of a William G and a Mary Quinn. This John's birth is given later than you show, in 1833 in the Isle of Mann. His marriage in 1858, Victoria to Mary Maughan.

Have you confirmed, from likely their death certs, that both Robert and John, that you have as brothers, both show these parents? When did they arrive in Australia? Can't see any Scottish born children for Robert and wife Mary Hay so likely they left shortly after their marriage for Australia?

Can't see anything that would fit for them as a family in 1841 or 1851 really in Scotland so far...

Monica  :)
DEWSTOWE/DUSTOW, WADE, REED, ROGERS, GARRETT, HAY, KERR, BAS-TED HUSBAND  COOKE/COOK, GOWER, JEFFREYS,DAVIES, OATES or OATS, , GREASLEY/GREASLY, BIRD, BOSWELL, WILLEY, WHEADON, PARKER, ABBOTT?(maybe not related), JONES, QUINN, SCOTT, ISBESTER or ISBISTER?, LLOYD, RICHARDS, WHETTALL
Names come from Redruth, Cornwall, Wales, Scotland and possibly Ireland. And other parts of England.
Census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk