Which Thomas is it ?

[temiro tawa]

Now have the death cert from N.Z. for John Thomas Hallam. 

Details from that include....

-    when and where......        died 22 July 1926 in Moturoa, N.Z. 
-    occupation .........              Retired Painter.
-   name and surname of father............    Unknown.   
-   name and surname of mother...........   Catherine Hallam
-   when & where buried.....................     25th July 1926,  Waverley, N.Z.
-   Where born & how long in N.Z. .....      Nottingham, Eng.  51 years.
-   where married...............................      Nottingham, Eng
-   at what age married.....................       20 years.
-   To whom.......................................       Lucy Newton.
-   Age of widow, if living..................        No widow.
- I issue living, ages each sex..........       M -49, 47, 39    F- 51, 42, 41
- Undertakers name.........................        J. Johnston of Waverley.

To Kiwi Jeanie,   thanks for your help and time, much appreciated.

To Nottsgirl1.   I am no better off on John Thomas fathers name, hoping you can help me out with that marriage cert info. As you can see,  his Mothers name was Catherine something. And at time of death there were 3 male children & 3 female children.


 Jon.                                    

[sunflower]

Hi Jon

This might be worth investigating

John Hallam married Catherine Daykin 28.12.1844 at Radford St Peters.

There is a Thomas Hallam aged 7 living with John & Catherine in 1851 census
If you haven't got access let me know.

HO107/2133/603 pg 23

Carol

[JaneyCanuck]

That household in 1851, in Nottingham St Nicholas, looks like this:

Jas Hallam, 51, born in Colveston, Leicestershire
Ann Hallam, wife, 55, born in Wollaton
- children:
Jas 19
Hannah 15
Mary 13
John 29, married, born Basford
- and John's family:
Catherine, wife, 31, born Nottingham
Thomas, 7
Eliza 5
Hannah 2
Mary Ann 6 mo

I think this is the same household in 1841 in St Mary:

James Hallam, 40
Ann Hallam, 45
John, 15
Thos, 15
James, 10
Ann, 14
Eliza, 8
Hannah, 6
Mary, 2
Catherine, 20

It looks like John's age has been rounded down from 19, and Catherine's from 21, in 1841 -- Catherine being John's wife and shown at the end of the list, after James and Ann's own children.

In 1841, the surname has been corrected by an Ancestry user, to Hallam from Hullum. That person can be contacted through the Ancestry system, to inquire about their connection, if any.

This marriage would fit that household:

June quarter 1841, Nottingham
John Hallam
Catherine Sherwood

If that were right, it would make you a genuine Sherwood from Nottingham.

In 1861, Catherine is in St Mary with children Eliza 15, Hannah 12 and Mary Ann 10, and also William, 4 months old, and is recorded as a widow. The 10 years between the two youngest children seems a little odd.

[nottsgirl1]

Hi Jon,

Sorry to have taken so long but been ill.  Have today been to the archives so here the marriage

St Peters Radford 24 July 1864
Thomas Hallam aged 20yrs a Frame Smith of Thomas Street, father John Hallam a FWK
Lucy Newton 20yrs of Thomas St father Emanuel Newton a FWK
witnesses were Thomas Wigley adn Caroline Daykin.

Now you say his mother was Catherine and there is a marriage at same church on 24 Dec 1844 of John Hallam and Catherine Daykin and as there is a Daykin as witnesses on Thomas marriage I would say that this is his parents.

Cannot find any christenings for children of John and Catherine.

Nottsgirl1

[temiro tawa]

thanks nottsgirl1,  and all others on this thread.   sorry I have been so long. Major life changing catastrophe. The dust has almost settled now.   You have been a tremendous help,

Yes .... nottsgirl1,     this looks like the right marriage.  Lucy's Dad's name is correct.  A frame work Knitter is correct.  We have the right Lucy,  ( my 2nd great Grandmother )

 When Lucy NEWTON was born on February 7, 1844, in Nottingham, Nottinghamshire, her father, Emmanuel, was 38 and her mother, Charlotte, was 38. She married John Thomas HALLAM on July 24, 1864, in Nottinghamshire. By the time Lucy and her husband John emigrated to New Zealand in .....  they had already lost 2 children at home in Nottingham,England. They had 4 children with them on board the ship and Lucy was pregnant at the time. By the time they arrived in Brooklyn, New York, 3 had died and they only had Lucy, the baby with them. Someone on board was suffering from Scarlet Fever and it went through the ship like a dose of salts, even some of the crew died of it. My mother tells me Lucy and John had 21 children in 23 years. I find it hard to believe. She died on February 6, 1924, in Cheltenham, Manawatu-Wanganui, New Zealand,  at the age of 79.

What I need is......   John Thomas Hallam's exact date of birth ( birth Cert )  more proof of his mothers maiden name.

Cheers, 
Jon.