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William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« on: Wednesday 21 November 12 03:24 GMT (UK) »
Hi,  I'm looking for Infomation on William Trotter.  Born about 1836, Ednam, Roxburghshire

I'm having trouble Confirming his birth and Marriage Information.

I have him on the 1861 Census living in Kelso with wife Margaret (M.S. Buchanan) and Son Thomas (brn 1858).  In 1871, he  is on the Census with wife Margaret and Children Thomas, William (brn 1866) and Mary (brn 1863)  Searching on Family Search also revealed another son James (brn 1869)

I have also located him on the 1881 census in Kelso and 1891 Census in Edinburgh.

In 1900 Margaret dies in Kelso and he dies in Kelso in 1910.

On his death Cert his parents are listed as James Trotter and mother just as m.s. Douglas.  Having searched on both Family Search and Scotlands people does not reveal any children named William to these parents or even a marriage for James Trotter & ? Douglas.  He dies in the poorhouse.

Searching for a William Trotter born about 1836 in Ednam  reveals a Christening record listing parents as Andrew Trotter and Jean Broomfield.  This appears to be the only William born in this area at that time.

I would really appreciate some help on this.

Thanks

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 10:20 GMT (UK) »
I note on the 1841 census that there are 3 William's born about 1836.
1 parents Andrew & Jean as you mention in Kelso.
2 parents William & Alison at Smailholm.
3 - at Wood Market Kelso, Trotter's living with others but no apparent parents listed. Eldest, Douglas Trotter age 20 and 5 others all younger, William age 6 is the second youngest?   

Maybe worth looking at this family?

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 11:25 GMT (UK) »
Hi ,

William Trotter with Margaret Buchanan in 1861 is showing as born in Kelso -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=79311096

William Trotter born Ednam , parents Andrew and Jane in 1861 -
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/61transcript.aspx?houseid=73203074

As Colin suggests the Wood Market Kelso family may be the one to look at.
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/41transcript.aspx?houseid=79302166
(Although William is showing as not born in Roxburgh ?)

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 11:36 GMT (UK) »
http://www.maxwellancestry.com/census/51transcript.aspx?houseid=79306155

1851 Census transcrition above which would seem to match up with that 1841 Census
A link has been added to the 1861 Census but it is marked as "doubtful"  :-\

At least the William Trotter born to Andrew and Jean does not look like the one who married Margaret Buchanan.

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 11:48 GMT (UK) »
Would the parents marriage not show on the birth certificates of later children ?

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In birth certificates since 1861 however, the date and place of the parents' marriage was reinstated. Scotlandspeople(It was dropped after 1855)

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 20:26 GMT (UK) »
Bingo  found the Marriage for William and Margaret on Son Williams Birth Certificate.  11 Nov 1857 at Coldstream. 

Now to find the Marriage cert for William and Margaret,  which hopefully will list his parents.  (fingers crossed)

Thanks for all the help,  I was wondering about Andrew and Jean as parents,  (lead astray by an ancestry family tree in my early days)  The 1861 Census for Andrew and Jean have a son William living with them in Coldingham Berwickshire and my William is listed as living with Wife Margaret and eldest son Thomas  in Kelso on this Census. I think I will elimimate them as possible parents.
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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 21:28 GMT (UK) »
Well there is a marriage for William Trotter / Margaret GIBSON 1857 Coldstream Berwick  :-\

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTLW-Z92

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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Well there is a marriage for William Trotter / Margaret GIBSON 1857 Coldstream Berwick  :-\

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTLW-Z92

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No it doesn't seem to match. 

It lists William Trotter's age as 28 This makes him too old. (according to the census he was born anout 1836-1838.

Also Margaret is listed as a spinster,  it may of been a possibility if she was a widow,  second marriage and all that. 

The certificate also says it was signed by him which sugggests he could write,  the B cert for son william just has a X which to me suggests he was illiterate.  Also Occupation is listed as Ploughman,  on the 1861 Census his occuparion is listed as a Labourer, later census's have him as a gardener and nursery Labourer.

So I don't think that is him,  thanks anyway.  Looks like Family search is online for me again, so I'll keep looking too. 

Thanks
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Re: William Trotter 1836-1910, Kelso
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 21 November 12 22:51 GMT (UK) »
Sorry if I put a scanner in the work  :o- but looking at the Kelso Poor Law records your william was born circa 1833 at Legerwood

father James & Mothers maiden name Douglas

address: on record 9 Mill Wynd, Kelso
William died 18 June 1910 Kelso

record mentioned children Thomas born 1869 living at 39 Victoria Road, Kirkcaldy and Mary born 1876 m. John McNab, Cabman, 226 Leith Walk, Leith

no spouse listed.

also had a look for other trotters and found

William and Margaret Buchanan's Daugther-in-law
Margaret Fylnn (born 1862) wife of their son William a Gardener d. 27. 5.1899 Kelso  her address was listed as Dalmeny, Edinburgh. Went to Kirkcaldy
her parents are John Flynn, Gardener  & Bridget Flynn, 16 Sandport Street, Leith
her children listed are Margaret Buchanan b. 8.5.1893 17 Roxburgh St., Edinburgh; John b.4. 3.1895 West Pilton, Cramond. Sent to Indus School, Dumfries; William b.12.1896 Grindon, Northumberland & Thomas b. 24. 5.1898 Grindon, Northumberland

Had a look at the census record 1851
Family living at Gray's Close, Kelso

no mention of Father James Trotter
mother stated as Jean Trotter a pauper Widow 63 b Stow

William Trotter16 servant b legerwood
brother George Trotter 32 railway labourer b oldhamstock
sister margaret Trotter 20 servant b coldstream
nephew John Lamb 7 b Kelso

hope this helps