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War Grave Recognition
« on: Thursday 29 November 12 11:02 GMT (UK) »
Hello all,

This is my first time posting on this particular board but thought many members would be interested.

The MP for Dumfries and Galloway, Russell Brown, is looking for people to help him trace the families of three war heroes in an attempt of recognition by CWGC.

http://www.russellbrownmp.com/wargraves/

I know that SKS out there will want to take this up so that these three lads finally receive the visible recognition they deserve.

Cheers,

Matt.
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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 29 November 12 12:17 GMT (UK) »
Hi Matt ,

Seems there is an alternative commemoration for the men.

http://www.findagrave.com/cgi-bin/fg.cgi?page=gr&GRid=72257080

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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 29 November 12 16:04 GMT (UK) »
From his Navy record -

Andrew Carnochan J32306 born May 1899 Troqueer Maxwelltown Kirkcudbright.

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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 29 November 12 16:58 GMT (UK) »
St Andrews RC Cemetery (formerly called Calside graveyard) is located just off the Craigs Road.  A double rows of military graves, many commemorate foreign nationals, are all well tended.


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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 29 November 12 20:47 GMT (UK) »
 :-\ Have to admit I am confused by the public appeal for info on this all. Matt, from your link:

The servicemen buried in Holy Cross Cemetery are:

    Able Seaman Andrew Carnochan – served on the H.M.S. Marlborough, Royal Navy, and died on 3rd March 1919, aged 19. Son of William Carnochan of 114 Queensberry Street, Dumfries.
    Private Thomas Donnelly – 9th Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers, died on 10th October 1915, aged 53. Husband of Mary Jane Currie Donnelly.
    Private Augustine Hullin – 1st Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers, and died on 10th April 1917, aged 42. Son of Daniel and Margaret Hullin of Harrogate, Yorks.


Sufficient info there surely to trace the roots of these servicemen. Certainly more details than in some (many) cases, in respect of other entries included sometimes on CWGC.

Are they trying to trace living descendants for some reason? DGFHS-vol's photos show the men clearly recognised as WW1 service men.

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« Reply #5 on: Thursday 29 November 12 20:55 GMT (UK) »

    Private Augustine Hullin – 1st Battalion, Royal Scots Fusiliers, and died on 10th April 1917, aged 42. Son of Daniel and Margaret Hullin of Harrogate, Yorks.[/i]


For example, from the 1891 census:

Margaret Hullin 49, Works in Tanyard b. Ireland
Joseph Hullin 18, Labourer in Tanyard b. England
Augustine Hullin 16, Labourer in Mill b. England
Mary Teresa Hullin 14, Weaver in Mill b. England

Address: 13 Shakespeare St Gas House Close, Dumfries

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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 29 November 12 21:33 GMT (UK) »
From his Navy record -

Andrew Carnochan J32306 born May 1899 Troqueer Maxwelltown Kirkcudbright.

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From Ev's info, a likely 1901 entry:

Robert Mcgowan 40, Agricultural Labouer
Margaert Mcgowan 36 b. Kelton, Kirkcudbrightshire
Margaert Mcgowan 12
Nelson Mcgowan 10
Mary J Mcgowan 7
James Mcgowan 5
Robert Mcgowan 3
Andrew Carnochan 1, nephew b. Balmaghie

Address: Bridge Of Dee, Balmaghie, Kirkcudbrightshire

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Re: War Grave Recognition
« Reply #7 on: Friday 30 November 12 07:40 GMT (UK) »
I can add nothing about he family, but Carnochan was awarded the DSM for his part in the raid on Zeebrugge and Ostend on the night of 22-23rd April 1918, where he was part of 'C' company of the seaman storming party on Royal Daffodil.

The raid succeeded in blocking the Bruges canal and trapping over 30 German U-boats and dozens of destroyers which had been responsible for inflicting massive losses on British merchant ships. The Admiralty plan was to sail three old coal-burning cruisers, filled with concrete, across the Channel and scuttle them across the entrance of the canal. But for the plan to work the Allies had to create a diversionary attack to draw the fire of enemy guns set up to defend Zeebrugge harbour. This meant landing Naval raiding parties on a mole where the guns were positioned and using an old British submarine, packed with explosives, to blow up a nearby viaduct to stop the Germans reinforcing their troops on the mile-long mole during the attack.

The warship HMS "Vindictive" and two River Mersey passenger ferries, the "Royal Iris" and the "Royal Daffodil" were used to carry in the landing parties and all three vessels were given extra protection to their superstructure to help shield them from the German guns which were expected to be firing at them from almost point blank range.

More than 70 vessels, including submarines, rescue launches and smoke-laying motor boats, took part in Operation ZO along with more than 1,700 men. At first a huge smokescreen laid by the fast motor boats hid the British fleet from the guns on the mole, but at a vital moment the wind changed and the smoke cleared. The "Vindictive", which was less than 100 yards away from the pier, came under immediate heavy fire and was hit.  240 seamen and marines were killed in the attack.

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« Reply #8 on: Friday 30 November 12 07:51 GMT (UK) »
Andrew Carnochan's death is noted as illness , he may have been a victim of the 'flu pandemic.

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