Are these two signatures the same?

[Geoff-E]

From a marriage register

[jess5athome]

After enlarging them my first opinion would be that they are not the same, they are however alike.
Hope that helps a little.

[Ruskie]

I originally thought they may have been the same but with one substantially earlier than the other, but I'm not sure that is the case.
Some reasons I don't think they are the same:

the angle of the top signature (the word goes up to the right) whereas second follows the straight line
the shape of the 'n' - the top is more pointed, the second rounder
tail of top 'J' is smaller and proportionally the size of the top loop is different on both 'Js'
difficult to see but looks like the bottom left loop to the H in the top signature does not follow through to form the crossbar of the H like the second does
finishing loop and flourish of 'r' differ
'e's look different and looked to be formed differently

In general I think that the second signature is a lot more confident (but may have been written by someone younger - can you confirm ages of people who wrote them please?)

[alpinecottage]

No, I don't think they are the same.  The second lies neatly on the horizontal and has a fancy final flourish on the r.  Each word of the first floats above the line after the initial letters.  Then there's the use of Jn^o and John

Red post Basically I agree with Ruskie!

[Geoff-E]

I will tease you no longer.  The sigs were written 3 weeks apart.

On two pages of a banns/marriage register he apparently witnesses them all, four as J, one as Jno and three as John.  Seven of them have the flourish at the end.  I wonder if the odd one is a forgery - it does look a similar hand to the other witness's.

You can see all eight here http://www.lincstothepast.com/Records/RecordDisplayTranscript.aspx?oid=739308&iid=100349

 

[lizdb]

I would agree with the general thought - they are not the same hand

[alpinecottage]

   I wonder if the odd one is a forgery - it does look a similar hand to the other witness's.

I agree, it wos William Ryther wot wrote it!

[Ruskie]

   I wonder if the odd one is a forgery - it does look a similar hand to the other witness's.

I agree, it wos William Ryther wot wrote it!

Or perhaps Joseph Barnet.