Look Up Request - Emma LAMPREY - Marriage or Death or Burial

[sparrett]

This is the link to the prison record of George Francis TAYLOR, engineer and husband of Emma.
He states he was born in 1861 and the convictions and prison terms seem to start in 1889 in the Collingwood, Richmond and Melbourne areas. Crimes include assault, soliciting and drunkenness.

http://www.rootschat.com/links/01icb/

There is a photograph of him.

Sue

[sparrett]

For your further interest Alison,
Here is the probable birth of George TAYLOR

TAYLOR George Francis
Father James
Mother Christina JOHNSTON
 Birth Place MELB
Year 1859
Reg  11692

Here is a brother
TAYLOR Robert Russell
Father James
Mother Christ JOHNSTONE
Birth Place MELB
Year 1862
Reg  9522

The early death of the brother
TAYLOR  Bertie
Father James
Mother Christina JOHNSTONE
Age 8
Birth Place MELB

A sad news item about the death and inquest of the above.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/196691817

There are many mentions of the Rev Jas TAYLOR on Trove.

Sue

[cando]

I notice you and many others, have online trees for the LAMPREY family.

Something to add about George.
http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article209713084

Ballarat Star 25 Mar 1891
George Francis Taylor, a young fellow who described himself as the son of a clergyman, was sent to gaol for six months to-day for threatening to rob a man who refused him a shilling.

Cando

[sparrett]

This news item paints a sad background picture of the attempts of Rev Jas TAYLOR and his friends to help his delinquent son. George Francis threatens to kill his parents.

http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/8576668

It seems that they did not all together turn their back on him and he is memorialised on their detailed headstone at Melbourne General Cemetery.
Lengthy, but typed here for your interest.

COUSLEY
In loving remembrance of Bertie youngest son of James & Christina TAYLOR
who died at Melbourne 23 Nov 1870, age 8 years.
John, eldest son who died at Calcutta
27 Jul 1869, age 32 years
James third son who died at Airdrie, Scotland 11 Oct 1845, age 2 yrs 4 months
Isabella second daughter died at Melbourne 29 Jun 1874 age 27 years
Willie Landels fourth son died at Kaipara, India, 13 Mar 1876, age 22 years
Christina loving wife and mother died 7 Feb 1891, age 75 years
and James TAYLOR Baptist Minister of Melbourne died 15 Sep 1896, age 81 years
Jeanie third daughter of James & Christina TAYLOR died 21 Jul 1929, age 81 years
also sixth son George Francis born 20 Jul 1859, died 5 Jul 1937
.
   COUSLEY
In memory of our little Maggie
only daughter of Robert and Grace COUSLEY
died 12 Jun 1873, age 3 yrs 10 months.

Obit Rev James TAYLOR of Richmond 1896
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/221205659

Sue
 

[howe02]

Just read the recent posts - thankyou - so much to digest at the moment - the story is becoming somewhat tragic (beyond sad)       I am busy at work this week so may not get a chance to look at all the newspaper items that have been found and forwarded to me - I am so appreciative of the assistance       I didn't even know you could look at a hospital record and I have searched for a record for George Francis Taylor as I suspected he had similar behaviour to Emma
As to looking for a pattern - it was more about why there were a couple of long gaps in the dates when there were not convictions on the prison record - doubt that she suddenly stopped drinking
What a find to see a photo of GFT
I was also thinking that if Emma's prison record is in the name of Emily Taylor, then she may be buried under this name, albeit the use of alias names
Anyhow it is late and I need some sleep, just another quick thankyou, regards ........ Alison

[howe02]

Couldn't sleep so got up and read some of the info very quickly - I am now thinking there must be a prison record for Emma at an earlier period - Emma Ann Lamprey, Emily Lamprey, Emily Lamphrey, Ellen Lamprey as there was a mention of her being in 'goal hospital' and lots of other convictions
Sad that she was badly treated by GF Taylor in 1905 and then she married him in 1906 and then he went to prison 1907
Her father died 1885, she had at least two children 1894, 1898, then her mother 1900 - the boy was invalid and Emma's mother took care of him, the girl (my mum's grandmother) was fostered and never knew her mother (just as well) or her family.   The boy was taken care of by Emma's older sister and then he married   
Emma's seems to have lost her way and the family seem not to have been able to influence her.
Must dash .............. A

[cando]

Emma was known as Emily THOMPSON for years prior to her death.  I previously trawled all the Emily and Emma TAYLOR deaths from 1929 onwards and either parents were known or the ages and places of death don't match your Emma LAMPREY.

Of course she may be one of the 472 persons who died in Victoria from 1920 to 1985 with the registration name of UNKNOWN.

Emma was 21 when her father died.  Possibly she lost touch with her family as many of her siblings were deceased by 1916 and two brothers lived interstate only her sister Ellen outlived her.  She was 30 when the first recorded illegimate birth was registered.  Probably past the age when family could influence her   I think that Eileen was most fortunate to have been fostered and raised away from Emma's influence.

Emma wasn't the only LAMPREY to have illegitimate chn.  Her sister Harriet had a child in 1866 which died in 1867 prior to her marriage to William KELLY in 1870.

You wrote that John Horace was an invalid do you know the cause/reason?

Cando

[louisa b]

I've been following this very interesting thread and have a query

who is Albert THOMPSON, possible son of Emily, probable informant for the death cert as per Sue's reply #75, born approx. 1892??

regards, Lou

[sparrett]

Hi Lou,
I do not have any evidence that Albert was the informant.
My post only suggests it as "a thought"

It is a speculation.

The information given on the death certificate in regard to the child named Albert is not supported by indexed marriage or birth records in Victoria.   

  Question 13 “Issue” is taken to mean issue of the marriage as stated in question 12, so the child becomes Albert THOMPSON.

Somebody gave that information to Richardson who is the informant, and it may have been “Albert” or some other person, even as Cando suggests, Emily THOMPSON herself at the time of this admission or another.

Sue