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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #9 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 11:04 GMT (UK) »
Lots of practice  :)

Now onto your father-
8 July 1923 "Celtic" arrived N.Y. from Liverpool- Albert Wylie, 23, born Belfast, father J Wylie 59 Edinburgh St., 5'5" fair complexion fair hair blue eyes, going to cousin John Anderson Oakmont Pittsburgh Pennsylvania (641 Albany written in)

19 Aug.1924 "Mauretania" arrived Southampton from N.Y.- Albert Wylie, 23, student, Lisburn Rd. Belfast.

If you start a new topic on U.S. board with the above details someone might be able to find records of the cousin John Anderson. Also, be sure to include a link to this topic.

More Belfast details hopefully to follow....

This really is wonderful Aghadowey-I can't thank you enough! With my first grand neice or nephew arriving this May I would love to have a more complete tree to hand down.

The story is dad went to the States with the intention of staying there and for a while sang in a Barber Shop quartet, possibly while at college. He was summoned home when his mother became ill and to the best of my knowledge never went back to the States. The fair haired/blue-eyed/height thing were all passed down a further two generations :)

I'll pop accross to the other forum now and post the info with a link. Thanks again! Even to be able to eliminate the marriage I had for what I thought were his grandparents is a step in the right direction! I've wavered over it time and time again but it never quite seemed to 'fit'.

See here for U.S. topic: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,631598
Ballinderry, Co. Antrim - Higginson/McCoy
Co. Londonderry - Hammond Higginson
Crevilleyvalley, Ballymena, Co. Antrim - Hanna/Boyle/Kennedy
Boyle, Co. Roscommon - Sloan/McLean
Co. Antrim - William John Sloan/Margaret Kirk
Co. Antrim - Wylie/Anderson
Co. Antrim - Currie (specifically link between Samuel Currie and Sir Donald Currie the shipping magnate)
Drumbo, Co. Down - McIlveen from Saint John McIlveen back to Allen McIlveen
Lurgan, Co. Armagh - Armstrong

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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 13:17 GMT (UK) »
It says his father is Matthew Anderson. My father's youngest brother was Matthew Anderson Wylie and Matthew doesn't come from the Wylie side of the naming pool. If I can find a Matthew Anderson born in Ireland with the same parents as Jane we could have a winner! 

Wonder if this is connection?

Children of William Anderson and Jane Anderson-
1. Matthew 26 Sept.1868 Co.Down  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPZW-XPV (Comber according to RosDavies site)
2. David 13 Nov.1869 Co.Down https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPNT-QJV (Saintfield according to RosDavies site)
3. Jane 5 Mar.1875  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5YP-NVB
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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 13:21 GMT (UK) »
It says his father is Matthew Anderson. My father's youngest brother was Matthew Anderson Wylie and Matthew doesn't come from the Wylie side of the naming pool. If I can find a Matthew Anderson born in Ireland with the same parents as Jane we could have a winner! 

Wonder if this is connection?

Children of William Anderson and Jane Anderson-
1. Matthew 26 Sept.1868 Co.Down  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPZW-XPV (Comber according to RosDavies site)
2. David 13 Nov.1869 Co.Down https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPNT-QJV (Saintfield according to RosDavies site)
3. Jane 5 Mar.1875  https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5YP-NVB

I might have looked at him before and disgarded him. Now it would appear he's back in the running again! The Matthew in the States (IF there's a connection) is more likely to be a cousin further back since he's older. But whether or not it's wishful thinking it's starting to FEEL like we're on the right track.  :) I'll go see if I can piece it together.

Have I mentioned how much I love this site?!

P.S. Now there IS a connection to the Ballygowan area of Co. Down through my dad and his youngest brother Matthew (who we knew as Andy). They had a riding school there but I always understood that they'd bought the farm rather than inherited it. I could be wrong about that. I just have this vague memory of the family talking about how these two Belfast working class lads had ended up in the country. Having said that, I don't know why it was there. If they already knew the area through family it makes sense.
Ballinderry, Co. Antrim - Higginson/McCoy
Co. Londonderry - Hammond Higginson
Crevilleyvalley, Ballymena, Co. Antrim - Hanna/Boyle/Kennedy
Boyle, Co. Roscommon - Sloan/McLean
Co. Antrim - William John Sloan/Margaret Kirk
Co. Antrim - Wylie/Anderson
Co. Antrim - Currie (specifically link between Samuel Currie and Sir Donald Currie the shipping magnate)
Drumbo, Co. Down - McIlveen from Saint John McIlveen back to Allen McIlveen
Lurgan, Co. Armagh - Armstrong

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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 13:59 GMT (UK) »
Ballygowan is good as it's not far from Saintfield and Oughley :) Have been trying to track down the earlier Co. Down connection. Going back to 1901 census Jane Anderson lists birthplace as Co.Down.
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Windsor/Windsor_Road/966756
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Windsor/Edinburgh_Street/153519

Now, there's the 1865 marriage record for William Anderson to Jane Anderson with her father listed as Richard Anderson-
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGFW-JLL

Now, Richard isn't that common a first name so I started looking for that name...

"The Will of Richard Anderson late of Oughley County Down Farmer deceased who died 28 July 1880 at same place was proved at Belfast by the oaths of John Anderson of Oughley and Martin M'Minn of Killynure both in said County Farmers the Executors." Will mentions brother John. Image from Will Book at www.proni.gov.uk

Brother John- "The Will of John Anderson late of Oughley County Down Farmer who died 29 December 1889 at same place was proved at Belfast by Margaret Anderson and Sarah Anderson both of Oughley Spinsters the Executrixes." Will mentions daughters Sarah Anderson and Margaret Anderson, granddaughter Eliza Ann Anderson.

to be continued...
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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 14:15 GMT (UK) »
"The Will of Samuel Walker Anderson late of Oughley County Down Farmer who died 17 April 1888 at same place was proved at Belfast by Isabella Anderson Widow and James M'William Farmer both of Oughley and Samuel Shaw of Carricknacessna in said County Farmer the Executors." Will mentions wife Isabella, sister Isabella, daughters Mary, Margaret, Annie & Susanna, cousin Samuel Shaw.

Samuel Walker Anderson, son of Richard, married 1866 Isabella/Bella Scott
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FGDV-1VK
Children:
1. Mary Elizabeth Graham (1867) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F55V-44F
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F519-72S
2. Margaret Jane (1869) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPDY-VPV
3. William James (1870) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPB7-YWY
4. Anna Bella Shaw (1873) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR9Q-S5Y
5. Agnes Dorothea Scott (1875) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR3G-5JN
6. Susanna (1878) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5BY-SCQ

Now, the use of Waddell as a middle name for Robert Waddell Wylie might be a family connection (which I can't find yet) or a red herring....
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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 14:21 GMT (UK) »
Briefly, Rev. Robert Anderson 1807-1872. Scarva St. Banbridge 1830-1872 lic Letterkenny (Co. Donegal) 1829
"Letters of Administration of the personal estate of Reverend Robert Anderson late of Banbridge County Down Presbyterian Minister deceased who died 27 February 1872 at same place were granted at Belfast to Mary Anderson of Banbridge aforesaid the Widow of said deceased."
An Ancestry tree gives his wife as Catherine Susan Nolen which is incorrect.
So far have only found 1 daughter, Mary whio married Rev. John Waddell.

"The Rev. John Waddell was born at Ballygowan in 1839/40, youngest son of James Waddell. He was minister of Anaghlone 1868-76 and of Newington Pres. Church Belfast 1876-1915. He married Mary ANDERSON, daughter of Rev. Robert Anderson above. They had 4 sons and 3 daughters, of whom 2 sons and 1 daughter died during their youth.
Two of the sons became Presbyterian ministers, the Rev. John Waddell of Fisherwick, Belfast, and the Rev. Henry Cooke Waddell who is buried here."
http://boards.ancestry.co.uk/localities.britisles.ireland.dow.general/4430.1/mb.ashx
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Duncairn_Ward/Antrim_Road/956785
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Duncairn/Antrim_Road/139310/
"Probate of the Will of The Reverend John Waddell late of 9 Taunton Avenue Belfast Presbyterian Clergyman who died 1 March 1915 granted at Belfast to Mary Waddell the Widow."

Have more on Waddells which I won't post just yet as Rev. John's wife Mary Anderson may not be connected. It was not uncommon to name sons after a minister.
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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 14:34 GMT (UK) »
It was not uncommon to name sons after a minister.

Not very helpful of them if they did.

This is AMAZING and really does seem to be bringing us back to Ballygowan again and again. The place my father and brother owned was on the Tullygarvan Road if memory serves, but I can't figure out how close that might be to Oughley. Either way I don't think from the wills that they inherited. I  think it's more likely they knew the area from family visits and had their eye on the farm when it came up for sale.

I've been trying to find Jane and William's marriage on either Rootsweb or AncestryIreland to see if I could get the short version cert details and possibly some witnesses to work with but neither site seems to list it, which is disappointing. I'm not convinced of David and Samuel yet either as David simply seems to disappear into thin air and the only Samuel I found in the census was the wrong age and living with his sister Jane who is also the wrong age. I might possibly need more coffee :)
Ballinderry, Co. Antrim - Higginson/McCoy
Co. Londonderry - Hammond Higginson
Crevilleyvalley, Ballymena, Co. Antrim - Hanna/Boyle/Kennedy
Boyle, Co. Roscommon - Sloan/McLean
Co. Antrim - William John Sloan/Margaret Kirk
Co. Antrim - Wylie/Anderson
Co. Antrim - Currie (specifically link between Samuel Currie and Sir Donald Currie the shipping magnate)
Drumbo, Co. Down - McIlveen from Saint John McIlveen back to Allen McIlveen
Lurgan, Co. Armagh - Armstrong

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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 14:39 GMT (UK) »
Oughley to Tullygarvan Road is prbably only a few miles.

I've been trying to find Jane and William's marriage on either Rootsweb or AncestryIreland to see if I could get the short version cert details and possibly some witnesses to work with but neither site seems to list it, which is disappointing. I'm not convinced of David and Samuel yet either as David simply seems to disappear into thin air and the only Samuel I found in the census was the wrong age and living with his sister Jane who is also the wrong age. I might possibly need more coffee :)

Who are David and Samuel?
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Re: ANDERSON, Castlereagh Area, Belfast
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 15 January 13 14:41 GMT (UK) »

Who are David and Samuel?

They're two of the names you found for me who might be possible siblings of Jane, children of William and Jane Anderson?
Ballinderry, Co. Antrim - Higginson/McCoy
Co. Londonderry - Hammond Higginson
Crevilleyvalley, Ballymena, Co. Antrim - Hanna/Boyle/Kennedy
Boyle, Co. Roscommon - Sloan/McLean
Co. Antrim - William John Sloan/Margaret Kirk
Co. Antrim - Wylie/Anderson
Co. Antrim - Currie (specifically link between Samuel Currie and Sir Donald Currie the shipping magnate)
Drumbo, Co. Down - McIlveen from Saint John McIlveen back to Allen McIlveen
Lurgan, Co. Armagh - Armstrong