Where does Ellis Nevitt come from?

[keyboard86]

Hi living close to Ellis in 1891:-

William Nevitt 58 occ Coal Miner b Malpas
Ellen 67 b Hanmer
William Howard 25 Son in Law occ Engine Fitter b Chesterton, Staffs
Ellen E Howard 25 Daughter b Garden Lodge, North Wales
Residing at Arbour Road, Audley, Talk O' Th'-Hill, Newcastle under Lyme
Census Ref RG12/2152/18/32

Marriage Ellen Elizabeth Nevitt to William Howard June qtr 1890 Newcastle L 6b 146
Keyboard86

[Pheno]

Thank you very much to all who have contributed above.  Has given me plenty of info to sift through and digest.

Regards, Pheno

[Pheno]

Dear William and Keyboard, I've analysed the information that you have both kindly found for me now and have concluded that this is the Ellis Nevitt son of William Nevitt who married Ellen Stubbs March qtr 1858 Nantwich and for some reason something went awry with the 1881 census return when the whole family were recorded with the surname Chesworth (there is a Nevitt/Chesworth connection elsewhere) but I really think this is an anomaly also considering the fact that William's birthplace appears as Mange rather than Malpas and that he has aged by 20 years from the previous census making him the same age as his wife Ellen, when in reality he was about 10 years younger.  So you have solved my conundrum.

I think William and Ellen both die prior to the 1901 census, both deaths being registered in Newcastle under Lyme, William in the Sep qtr 1891 aged 57 and Ellen in the Mar qtr 1895 aged 70.

I believe I have found William in 1851 HO107/2170/495/45 where he is a farm servant in Norbury village in the house of William Redropp although the birthplace in Cheshire is not given as Malpas.

A couple of follow up issues though if you have time.

Do you think that his baptism is that of 18 August 1833 in Malpas - mother Mary Nevitt?

Are you able to pin him (& Mary) down in the 1841 census anywhere?

Even with all this info I still can't definately attach William and therefore Ellis to my tree but I am convinced they belongs there - to go with the other 7 Ellis Nevitt's born between 1833 (bap 7/1/1833 Malpas son of John & Anne and not to be confused with the above) and 1924.

Many many thanks for your previous info and here's hoping, Pheno

[Pheno]

A further update to the above from familysearch which I should have looked at previously and which really solves my outstanding queries.

On the marriage details for William Nevitt to Ellen Stubbs on 25 January 1858 at Wrenbury, Cheshire he states his father's name to be George Chesworth!

And guess what: there is a marriage of a Mary Nevitt to a George Chesworth on 16 August 1835 at Malpas.

Whether or not this is his real father is unclear and obviously William does, at times, use both names.  I may have to look at the parish registers to solve this mystery.

Regards, Pheno

[keyboard86]

Hi Pheno, as you found a potential William Nevitt in 1851 working in Norbury, I just wonder therefore if this is the family in 1841?

Geo Chesworth 25 occ Ag Lab
Mary 25
Willm 7
Jno 5
Geo 3
Anne 2
Residing in Norbury
Census Ref HO107/117/ 12/10 / 14

In 1851 still in Norbury, George and Mary are both born Malpas, children Marbury
Census Ref HO107/2170/491/38
Keyboard86

[Pheno]

Thanks Keyboard, I'm sure you're right.

Might turn my attention to the Cheshire board now to see if someone can help with Mary Nevitt's origins.

I've added such a lot more info now due to spotting this Ellis Nevitt - it really helps when there is a specific name combination in a family.

Now to find out why so many Nevitt families are calling one of their sons Ellis and in one case a daughter Mary Ellis Nevitt.  I guess it could just be a Welsh thing but I feel that it must be something more than that.

Many thanks, Pheno

[wrjones]

As far as the name Ellis is concerned,whilst there may be some link to a previous Surname,it was quite widely used as a Christian name.I have quite a few in my Tree!

Regards
William Russell Jones.

[Pheno]

Just for interest William and Keyboard, I have tracked this family back and forward over the years now but couldn't find William and Ellen's son William Henry (Ellis' elder brother) b. 1860 Hanmer, Flintshire with his own family in 1901 however hard I looked.

Finally found him recorded as William Chesworth living in Kidsgrove, Staffs so the Nevitt/Chesworth duplicity was still being used into the 20th century.

Regards, Pheno

[wrjones]

Have you come across a William Chesworth born in Hanmer in c 1871?

Regards
William Russell Jones.