Murhy & Portill { all variations of spelling for Portill }

[LH]

Hi again,

Take a look at

http://www.clarelibrary.ie/eolas/coclare/history/kr_evictions/kr_evictions_enclosure63.htm

where you'll see mention of two families of Purtills - headed by Simon and John - being evicted from Kilrush Union 1847-1849.  The number of children in each family is also given.

The clarelibrary.ie website contains a lot of Purtill information.

Cheers

[LH]

You originally felt that Jane Purtill could have been a daughter of Simon and Mary (nee Flanagan).

1.  As your Jane married in 1860 - she must have been born sometime around 1835.

2. Simon Purtill and Mary Flanagan didn't marry in Kilrush until 27 July 1868 - so you can rule them out as the parents of Jane.

Cheers

[stockton]

LH & all other who have helped on this posting " Thank you for all time and kindness shown "

LH i looked at eviction list you sent and went straight to Jane & Michael Murphy's marriage certificate, { 1860 Pateley Bridge Yorkshire }

Jane Portill and Michael Murphy's age are both 20 years old.
Michael's father John Murphy is a farm labourer,  Jane's father Simon Portill a farmer
perhaps he lost his rented land and left Ireland to start again in England,
iv'e even come across a posting suggesting the name Portill could have German origins.
Hope to understand the Portill's one day and hope some one might just have alook up for me in library you suggested on Portill and Co Clare.
All the very best to all
Derek

[stockton]

  Hi all,
             does any one live in Dublin near to National Library, i need a look up for a John Purthill
             having a son John, in adition to a Simon. Baptism Register.

             I'm sure my Portill's are from Kilrush, all spelling variations for surname.

             Any help or advice greatly appreciated, all the best to all.

            Tried to register at Clare Library to go on forum to look at John Purthill and check on his
            family, but for some reason could not register.
            All the best
            Derek

[stockton]

  Tried & tried to register on Clare Library website } to use the forum to try and get answer's
on my Portill's but no luck, just cant understand why
If any one can help on John Purthill to see if he had two sons John & Simon, John Purthill was from Kilrush.
Simon Portill's daughter married Michael Murphy 1860 Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire.
So sorry to be a bit vague on dates but Jane Portill would have been born aby 1835 in Kilrush.

Derek

[stockton]

  Just managed to register on Clare Library forum, would be wonderful to learn more about my maternal 2x great grandmother's family the Portill's.

Many thanks to all, all the best
Derek

[stockton]

Just thought i would list the children of Simon & Mary Purtill and who they married in the hope
some one can connect and help out.

Jane Purtill born 1832 married Michael Murphy. 1860 Pateley Bridge, Yorkshire

Bridget Purtill born 1844 married James Coyle. Leeds 1857

Michael Purtill born1838 married Hannah Gleeson. 1858 Leeds

Mary Purtill born 1838/9 married  James Wall. 1869  Leeds

James Purtill born 1846 married  Elizabeth Davis.  St Mathew, little London 1870 Leeds.

Any one who can connect to this please get in touch.

All the best
Derek

[LH]

Hi again

Points re the 1861 UK census of Ripon (available at freecen.org.uk):-

1. Jane (now Murphy) gives her age as 20, so born circa 1841 - this doesn't tally with your date of her birth as 1832.

2. You know Jane's father Simon was deceased before 1860 when Jane married, leaving his wife Mary a widow.  Is it possible the Widow Mary 'Porton' age 50, along with Thomas age 15 and P age 24,  staying with them at census time were in fact Jane's widowed mother and brothers - perhaps over for the wedding a short time previously?  Purtill was such an unusual name in the UK that perhaps the Enumerator recorded Porton, rather than Purtill.

3. If No. 2 is a possibility, perhaps someone more familiar with Clare genealogy could check out for you whether any of the couples named Simon and Mary Purtill had three children whose dates of birth match those given in the 1861 census, as this may give another clue. 

Cheers

[stockton]

  LH i did think at the time the Porton's were related to Murphy or Purtill's, your reasoning could be spot on, will give it a go

Derek