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MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« on: Saturday 19 January 13 03:42 GMT (UK) »
Hello ALL,

Back in 2008 I initially queried about this group of names...since then I have found further information but still very little in some respects.

I was wanting to know if anyone could possibly find a marriage for Mary TODD and John Eckersley BINNS as I haven't been able to - they had a child in 1934 in Rochdale but I'm not sure that they ever married.

John did have a wife in 1920, Elizabeth MARLAND but I'm not sure if she died or not prior to him hooking up with MAry but that's on my list of things to find out.

Mary then went on to marry James Edward WOLSTENHOLME in 1945.

I have each of their death information but no issue for the latter couple and would like some direction if possible. I wondered if anyone had access to the Rochdale County Borough Directory to see if John and Mary ever lived together before or after 1934 when their child was born and prior to his death in 1941?

As for Mary TODD, well, she is as elusive as ever. Born 1903, Rochdale. 3 possibilities in the 1911 census but can't find a way to connect her to any of them to verify. Would her parents name be on her marriage certificate in 1945?

Thank you, Fiona

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #1 on: Saturday 19 January 13 04:37 GMT (UK) »
The GRO certificate ordering site here http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/
says that
*The details contained on a full birth certificate include:
Name, date and place of birth.
Father's name (if given at time of registration), place of birth and occupation.
Mother's name, place of birth, maiden surname and, after 1984, occupation.
(Registrations made before 1969 do not include details of the parents' place of birth and mother's occupation.)
*The details contained on a marriage certificate include:
Date and place of marriage.
Name, age and marital status/condition of man and woman.
Occupation and usual address.
Name and occupation of each party's father.
Names of the witnesses.
Name of the person who solemnised the marriage.




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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #2 on: Saturday 19 January 13 09:19 GMT (UK) »
Hi
There was a Binns child with mmn Todd born in 1937 Wardleworth, Rochdale.

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 19 January 13 13:49 GMT (UK) »
If you get her marriage certificate, it should have her father's name. If she did marry John Binns, she would be Mary Binns and not Mary Todd when she remarried.

Heather

added: Marriage jan-feb-mar 1945
Mary Todd and James E Wolstenholme
Rochdale
Lancashire
Vol 8e
page 76


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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 19 January 13 16:51 GMT (UK) »
I assume one of the death certificates you have is for John Binns

Lancashire Death indexes for the years: 1941
Surname   Forename(s)   Age   Sub-District   Registers At   Reference
BINNS   John Eckersley   45   Wardleworth   Rochdale   W/84/13

who notified his death

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 19 January 13 23:29 GMT (UK) »
Hi Heather,
The child I have and is correct. I agree with you in regards to the idea that she would have been Mary BINNS instead of TODD when marrying Edward WOLSTENHOLME, so that clarifies things for me - just like to know whether John's wife Elizabeth MARLAND was still alive at that stage or not....
 
As for the death cert for John and his notification of death...I don't have the actual cert but the burial info from Rochdale cemetery. Thanks for the reference though as I didn't know that he had died in Wardleworth...which is where his son was born in 1934, so it makes me wonder if they lived together prior to his death or not?

Fiona

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 20 January 13 03:45 GMT (UK) »
I was wanting to know if anyone could possibly find a marriage for Mary TODD and John Eckersley BINNS as I haven't been able to - they had a child in 1934 in Rochdale but I'm not sure that they ever married.

Are the details for the child born in 1934 June 1/4 Rochdale vol 8e page 45?  If so the birth for baby B was registered with the last name Todd, mother's maiden name Todd which would suggest that Mary and John Binns were not married.

I have been looking for a death for Elizabeth H Binns nee Marland and can't see one so I looked for a marriage and there are two. Both in the Haslingden reg district.

Elizabeth H Binns to Handel Davies
Jun 1/4 1932, Haslingden, Lancashire, 8e/225

Joseph Waller to Elizabeth H Davies Or Binns
Mar 1946 1/4 Haslingden, Lancashire 8e/227

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 20 January 13 03:56 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Handel Davies birth
March 1/4 1910 Bury vol 8c page 530

and death reg
Date of Registration - Mar 1/4 1994 Bury
Handel Davies
Birth date - 12 Dec 1909
Age at Death - 84

So he didn't die leaving Elizabeth H free to marry. Divorced? But nothing to say this is your Elizabeth nee Marland who did marry with the middle initial H.

A second marriage for Handel?

Handel Davies to Ethel Walton
Mar 1/4 1946, Bury, Lancashire, vol - 8c page - 897

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Re: MAry TODD/John Eckersley BINNS and James Edward WOLSTENHOLME
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 20 January 13 06:44 GMT (UK) »
The child (*), 1934, Wardleworth.

As for those marriages,

Elizabeth H Binns to Handel Davies
Jun 1/4 1932, Haslingden, Lancashire, 8e/225

Joseph Waller to Elizabeth H Davies Or Binns
Mar 1946 1/4 Haslingden, Lancashire 8e/227

I too found them yesterday but not sure if this is the Elizabeth Hannah MARLAND but another.... as I had presumed that it listed marriage 1 and marriage 2 of the same Elizabeth H BINNS - so none the clearer yet.

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