Francis / Jones family - Llanerfyl/Llanfair Montgomeryshire

[Dolgoch1]

Please could someone locate the 1841 and 1851 census records for Ann Francis, born Llanerfyl,  I believe around 1827/8. Also, I think she may have had a daughter in her maiden name around 1854.

Also the same censuses for a William Jones, born c.1818 in Llanfair. I think he was a farmer and might have been married to a Susannah.

Many thanks

[cardiff]

Hi
this is a long shot
 1841
piece 1438 folio 5 page  15/2
Llanerfyl crane village
Margaret Francis b 1791
Ann Francis b 1828
both born county
1851 census piece 2499 folio 139 page 2
Village Crane
Margaret Francis widow b 1792 Llanerfyl
Ann Francis daughter b 1825 ..
William Jones relative b 1849   ..aged 2yrs
 There are other Ann francis born 1825-1829 all are servants with o children
cheers cardiff

[cardiff]

1851 census
2499/37/15
40 high street llanfair caereinion
William Jones b 1818 llanfair sawyer
Susanah  wife b 1817 ..
William son b 1839 ..
Nickolas b 1841 ..
Elizabrth b 1843 ..
David b 1845 ..
Catherine b 1847 ..
Thomas b 1849 ..
cheers cardiff

[cardiff]

1841 census
1438 6/16 /24
Llanfair Town
William Jones b 1821 ag lab
Shusanah b 1821
William b 1838  3yrs
Nicklas b 1840 1yr
all born county

Do you have marriage
Parish
William Jones =m= susannah Jones
22March 1837 by Banns at Llanfair Caereinion
witness by Mary Jones and Nicholas Jones
 Hope this is of help
Cheers cardiff

[Dolgoch1]

Thanks. I think all these findings are pertinent. My gg grandmother Susannah Jones was b Llanerfyl 1853/4 and I have been unable to trace her. I found a transcript of a Llanerfyl parish record showing a Susannah Francis b 1853 with father's name shown as William Jones and mother Ann Francis. As I can't find a marriage record with this combination, I assume they never married or that William was already married! I picked the Llanfair William because in 1861 he and family lived at an adjacent farm to Ann and Susannah. However, I have no evidence that there paths actually crossed - so I wonder if the father was actually from Llanerfyl. Incidentally, when Susannah married in the 1870s, she was resident in Crane township so this adds weight to Ann being her mother - Crane is a small place.

Does anyone have access to the parish records of 1853 for Llanerfyl? I guess there were a number of William Jones's around - probably the 1851 census is the most relevant to find a local one to Llanerfyl. Would still be grateful if someone else could help.

Regards

[Lleucu]

 Sorry to disappoint but there is no Susannah mentioned in the parish records for 1853/4. I am intrigued re the entry that you mentioned and would be interested to hear more.
There is a Susannah  Rowland (no Bapt - possibly non-conformist or in another parish) a few years earlier, she is 9 in 1861, 19 in 1871 and is married to Edward Jones ( age 21) who states that is birthplace is Guildsfield.
Does this help at all?
Lleucu

[Dolgoch1]

Thanks Lleucu. However I have now found a record for a baptism of a Susan Jones/Francis to William Jones & Ann Francis from 1853 in the neighbouring township of Garthbeibio. Clearly the couple were unmarried and William's abode is shown as Llandrinio which is some miles from Llanerfyl. I can't quite read Ann's abode but I think it might be Chraen i.e Crane which ties in with the census records above. Although geographically adjacent to Llanerfyl, I have seen somewhere that for parochial matters Crane fell under the auspices of Garthbeibio slightly further west. I am encouraged by my findings but one or two things still trouble me such as Williams's occupation - Labourer on the baptism record yet Farmer on Susan(nah)'s marriage certificate. And why there is am impled yob of 1856/7 at her wedding in 1877 when the baptism and later censuses would agree on 1853/4?. The search continues... I will first of all try to identify which William was in Llandrinio.

Regards

[Lleucu]

Oh well done, I'm very pleased that you've been able to pinpoint them. Did they live in Llanerfyl and if so where?
Lleucu

[cennydd]

The abode at time of baptism in Garthbeibio is Ty Green. Craen is the name given to a township in the parish of Llanerfyl as well as being the name of a dwelling in said townsip and parish. Craen has no connection with Garthbeibio parish