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Griffiths in Llansamlet
« on: Sunday 03 February 13 00:55 GMT (UK) »
Hi Everyone,

Im really struggling at the moment to find a Samuel Griffiths b.1829 with a father of the same name in the 1851 census. I got hold of Samuel juniors marriage certificate, which showed residence. And I just can't find a thing.
It might be because i've spent 2 hours trying to find it now and going goggly-eyed.

Have attached the image if it helps.

David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #1 on: Sunday 03 February 13 01:58 GMT (UK) »
Hi this looks to be him in 1851:-

Elizabeth Griffiths 56 Widow
Samuel 21 Son/Single occ Copper Smelter
Both born Llansamlet
Residing at Upper Bank, Llansamlet
Census Ref HO107/2464/621/17

And in 1841:-

Elizabeth Griffith 37?
Samuel 11
Residing at Bank, Upper, Llansamlet
Census Ref HO107/1419/ 13/10 / 3

Their is also this possible burial:-

Samuel Griffith 22nd October 1837 Llansamlet, Dedication St Samlet aged 40
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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #2 on: Sunday 03 February 13 10:41 GMT (UK) »
This is a bit further on than Llansamlet I think, moving down towards Swansea and the sea. Its Pentrechwyth (modern spelling) in my opinion and is about 2 miles from the core of Llansamlet and just above the river Tawe. Pentrechwyth is on a hill above what used to be the White Rock copper works so presumably a short stroll down the hillside to get to work each day?

I don't recognise Gnap (Cnap?) Goch (Coch?) but it would be worth looking at an old map of Pentrechwyth to see if its on there.

I think if you Google 'Rifleman's Row' you will find modern day Pentrechwyth on a map. I think that is still there.

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 03 February 13 10:48 GMT (UK) »
There seems to be a map here at the West Glam Archive Service:

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=gnap+coch+pentrechwyth+map&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7;&rlz=1I7TSEA_en-GB

Which is:

<D/D BF 1733> Lease for 60 years from 25 Mar 1906 for £6 8s annual rent dated 31 Dec 1906; Victor Albert George earl of Jersey to David Meager of Eaton Crescent, Swansea; Buildings at Gnap Goch between the road from Foxhole to Bonymaen and the Rising Sun public house, Llansamlet. Includes plan
[1 parchment]

I'll be over there next week and could dig that out and photograph any map bit if you like. I suspect that the actual parchment will be too big for photography.

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Author 'Swansea and the Workhouse - the Poor Law in 19th century Swansea' (2003); 'Swansea Pals - the 14th (Service) Battalion, the Welsh Regiment in the Great War' (2004); 'Foul Deeds and Suspicious Deaths Around Swansea''. (2009); 'Swansea in the Great War' ( 2014); 'Neath! Neath! Neath! The Record-Breaking 1988/89 Season' (2016). My blog: https://bernardlewisauthor.wordpress.com/


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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #4 on: Sunday 03 February 13 11:10 GMT (UK) »
those would be the same census entries as I gave you last July, second reply 

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,605420.0.html

 ;)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #5 on: Sunday 03 February 13 11:59 GMT (UK) »
Hi Osprey.

Really sorry about that. Normally I've got a little book here with a red pen tick next to names in question if I've ever made enquiries about them on RC. And looking in my book, I must have forgotten to put the red pen next to it. And why haven't I followed up what was put last time? The only reason I can think of was that there might have been some doubt about a certain aspect of it. But looking again, I can't see why.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 03 February 13 12:05 GMT (UK) »
Bernard,

I'm quite familiar with Rifleman's Row, as I drive the local service buses past there most days. To me at least, Pentrechwyth ends at the school on the main road. There are houses up on the side of the hill at the bus stop but not sure how old they are. Pentrechwyth doesn't seem like a very very large place, if you blink from turning in on the foxhole road, you're suddenly in Bonymaen.

David.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 03 February 13 12:10 GMT (UK) »
Their is also this possible burial:-

Samuel Griffith 22nd October 1837 Llansamlet, Dedication St Samlet aged 40
Keyboard86

Keyboard I'm not sure that's the right one as the marriage certificate is from 1857 and the father is not stated as deceased.
Northants - Stevenson, Smith, Spriggs, Hight, Dodson, Coleman
Swansea - Thomas, Williams, Howell, David, Rees, Griffiths, Jenkins, Bevan
Rutland - Hales
Derbyshire - Harlow, Riley, Pemberton, Aldred
Yorkshire - Stamper, Boyes, Duke
London - Harper, Wallis
Essex - Shelford, Wallis, Read, Stanes
Hertfordshire - Bishop
Cornwall - Johns, Soper, Rowe, Ball, Webb, Dunn, Quintrell, Hain, Oliver
Gloucestershire - Harper, Ash, Gregory, Denman
County Durham - Proud, Duke
Yorkshire - Stamper, Pickering

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Re: Griffiths in Llansamlet
« Reply #8 on: Sunday 03 February 13 13:46 GMT (UK) »
father not being noted as deceased doesn't mean he was alive at the time. The question is name and occupation of father, not if he is alive. I have records of 3 brothers marrying in the 1840s & 1850s. Their father is never shown as deceased on the certs, but he had died in 1835.

 ;)
Cornwall: Allen, Bevan, Bosisto, Carnpezzack, Donithorn, Huddy, James, Retallack, Russell, Vincent, Yeoman
Cards: Thomas (Llanbadarn Fawr)
Glam: Bowler, Cram, Galloway, James, Thomas, Watkins
Lincs: Coupland, Cram
Mon: Cram, Gwyn, John, Philpot, Smart, Watkins
Pembs: Edwards (St. Dogmael's)
Yorks: Airey, Bowler, Elliott, Hare, Hewitt, Kellett, Kemp, Stephenson, Tebb