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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #9 on: Sunday 13 November 16 10:02 GMT (UK) »
I'm not intending to muddle up anything. Who would have thought there would be two 'Lissan's' in one county!

So the death certificate I bought might be 'my' Daniel from Bracky afterall. I will check. This Omagh Lissan is only 12 miles from Bracky.

Thanks for your help

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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #10 on: Sunday 13 November 16 10:19 GMT (UK) »
Lissan

Drumragh Parish  http://www.logainm.ie/ga/64581

Clonfeacle Parish   http://www.logainm.ie/en/63756
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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #11 on: Sunday 13 November 16 10:20 GMT (UK) »
I'm not intending to muddle up anything. Who would have thought there would be two 'Lissan's' in one county!
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In Ireland it's not at all uncommon the find the same names used over and over again with duplication of townland names in the same county. In futute you can check somewhere like this site to see the county, PLU (usually same as registration district), civil parish, etc.
http://www.thecore.com/seanruad/
or here to see several Lissans in Co. Tyrone-
https://www.townlands.ie/search/?q=lissan
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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #12 on: Wednesday 28 December 22 22:02 GMT (UK) »
Re Daniel McIvor: Have you seen this document? I've (hopefully) attached two pages. Although it was specific to an Archibald McIvor, if you look closely (especially at the messy second page), it describes the family of John and Ann McIvor of Bracky, including son Daniel (born c. 1836). John was supposedly born around 1811 and Ann around 1823 (which likely means that Ann is a second wife, since she'd have been underage when the first three children were born, including (probably) Daniel.


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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #13 on: Friday 30 December 22 05:48 GMT (UK) »
Yes, I have seen these documents but I feel I'm missing something. Is one a fragment from 1851 census?
There seem to be three lists.
A John and Jane in ? 1851??
Then John and Ann with children labelled as post 1851.

What is the date near the Archibald file? It looks like 20 (or is it /70')?

I have this John as:

    Anne Armstrong
23 Jan 1855 • Sixmilecross, Tyrone, Northern Ireland

20 years bachelor farmer Brackey. Father: HUGH McIVOR (decd) farmer & ANNE ARMSTRONG 17 years spinster Brackey. Father: JAMES ARMSTRONG farmer Witnesses: WILLIAM FULTON & DENNIS WARD

    1830–1868
    John McIvor

    1866–
    Christian (a) McIvor

    1868–

Spouse and children

    Jane Morrow
17 Jan 1871 • Sixmilecross, Tyrone, Northern Ireland

He widowed and she spinster. Farmer of Brackey, son of Hugh McIver -farmer
    Hugh McIvor

    1872–1945
    Edward McIvor

    1873–1930
    Sarah Jane McIvor

    1874–
    Margaret Jane McIvor

I have this John and Ann ... as the son of Hugh, brother of 'my' Daniel.

I have just read a history that has my Daniel as married twice - to an Elizabeth Ross and a Martha ???

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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #14 on: Friday 30 December 22 07:42 GMT (UK) »

I have this John as:

    Anne Armstrong
23 Jan 1855 • Sixmilecross, Tyrone, Northern Ireland

20 years bachelor farmer Brackey. Father: HUGH McIVOR (decd) farmer & ANNE ARMSTRONG 17 years spinster Brackey. Father: JAMES ARMSTRONG farmer Witnesses: WILLIAM FULTON & DENNIS WARD


Presumably you mean this marriage  ???

https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1855/09498/5442203.pdf

At Drumnakilly Parish Church. Both living in the townland of Brackey [sic], civil parish of Termonmaguirk.


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For Bracky townland (townlands.ie), see reply #6

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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #15 on: Friday 30 December 22 12:04 GMT (UK) »

What is the date near the Archibald file? It looks like 20 (or is it /70')?


Date of receipt :   6/12/20  (1920)


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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #16 on: Friday 30 December 22 19:24 GMT (UK) »
There are two documents involved here, both of which appear related to Archie McIver's application for an Irish pension in 1920. Archie had emigrated to the U.S. around 1869, but later returned to Ireland (perhaps to apply for the pension). One document is a 1920 "Extract from Census Return of 1851), available at https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/109933:70792?tid=&pid=&queryId=4369750c63845bcc419a96de3c25dce9&_phsrc=NWS18485&_phstart=successSource. One is the Church of Ireland form I sent yesterday, which is also available at https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/2651:62061?tid=&pid=&queryId=748f0c283cc2e646a110b4d8d1daf45c&_phsrc=NWS18478&_phstart=successSource. The latter document appears to be drawn from parish records of the CofI church in Drumnakelly. Taken together, the documents outline a McIvor family in Bracky consisting of John (1811), Ann (1823), Jane (1832), Daniel (1836), Thomas (1841),  Betta (Elizabeth?) (1843), John (1845), Archibald (1847), James (1851), Robert (1853), James again (1856), perhaps indicating the earlier James died in childhood, Hugh (1858) and Margaret (1861). Some of these ages from which the birth years are drawn appear on the 1851 census document, but the parish record add a bunch more, which I assume came from baptism records I have been unable to find anywhere else. Hugh, on a form filled out later in life, gave his mother's maiden name as Ann Cameron. The ages of some of the children weigh against Ann being their mother; there's a five-year break in the kids' ages which may indicate the death of a first wife after Daniel and Ann's arrival as a mother with Thomas. That is highly speculative.

My interest in this is John (1845), who I think was my great-grandfather. My grandfather was named Archie, which would make the Archie in this family unit his uncle. Several other names repeat in my grandfather's generation. Interestingly, both Archies wound up in the Philadelphia area.

At this point I am mainly looking for evidence DISPROVING my theory that this John McIvor is my great-grandfather. He doesn't appear in Ireland again, that I can find, so the main possibility that would exclude him for my purposes would be emigration.

If anyone knows of a way to access the Church of Ireland records in Drumnakelly, that would be helpful.

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Re: Lissan County Tyrone
« Reply #17 on: Saturday 31 December 22 10:20 GMT (UK) »

One document is a 1920 "Extract from Census Return of 1851), available at https://www.ancestry.com/discoveryui-content/view/109933:70792?tid=&pid=&queryId=4369750c63845bcc419a96de3c25dce9&_phsrc=NWS18485&_phstart=successSource.


Also available on the NAI 1841 / 1851 Census Search Forms website (free).
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/home.jsp

Archiebald McIvor
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/search/cs/details.jsp?id=58754
http://censussearchforms.nationalarchives.ie/reels/c19/007246701/007246701_00424.pdf


The latter document appears to be drawn from parish records of the CofI church in Drumnakelly. 


Think you mean Drumnakilly!

Drumnakilly townland in the civil parish of Termonmaguirk (Upper Strabane portion).
https://www.townlands.ie/tyrone/strabane-upper/termonmaguirk-upper-strabane-portion/drumnakilly/drumnakilly/
https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4678938#map=12/54.6170/-7.1761


If anyone knows of a way to access the Church of Ireland records in Drumnakelly, that would be helpful.


PRONI Guide to Church Records

See Termonmaguirk, Co. Tyrone in the below church records link (page 361)-

Church of Ireland, Drumnakilly (Armagh diocese)
[Earliest records destroyed in Dublin]
Baptisms and burials, 1877-;
Marriages, 1845-.                                 In local custody
 
https://www.nidirect.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/Guide-to-Church-Records-October-2019.pdf

Drumnakilly Parish Church on Facebook.
https://m.facebook.com/people/Drumnakilly-Parish-Church/100064411043254/


Researching: Cuthbertson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Australia; Hunter – Co. Derry; Jackson – Co. Derry, Scotland & Canada; Scott – Co. Derry; Neilly – Co. Antrim & USA; McCurdy – Co. Antrim; Nixon – Co. Cavan, Co. Donegal, Canada & USA; Ryan & Noble – Co. Sligo