Warnes Family Loddon Norfolk

[888shelley]

Javus Warnes married to Mabel Flood, had 12 children of whom some are Ina, Lilly,Grace,Thomas, Walter and Florence Mabel Guyneth my husband's gma. There is confusion whether she (and some others) were born in Russia as Javus worked on the Trans Siberian Railway. This is all dated about 1830's(?). Florence married Eric E Chatfield and came to Australia.

[trish1120]

Do you mean 1890's?

Trish

[Annette7]

None of the information is making any sense to me.   There seems to be no-one called Javus Warnes (anywhere), can't find marriage of a Florences Warnes to an Eric Chatfield, and can't find family on census.    Do you really mean 1830's??

Can you give us your sources?

Annette

[trish1120]

Me too

From a Tree Florence Married 1914 in Australia (from memory)
I think her Father may be James.

Trish

[trish1120]

I though this may be them in Hampshire 1901;
James Warne    46
Grace Warne    37
Grace Warne    14
Alice Warne    13
Maud Warne    11
MABEL Warne    7
Ernest Warne    4
Walter Warne    2
James born Isle of Wight, Cowes, all others Hampshire

Name:    Eric E Chatfield
Spouse Name:    Florence M G Warnes
Marriage Date:    1916
Marriage Place:    New South Wales
Registration Place:    Sydney, New South Wales
Registration Year:    1916
Registration number:    12906


Australia, Electoral Rolls, 1903-1980 about Florence Mabel Gwyneth Chatfield
Name:    Florence Mabel Gwyneth Chatfield
Gender:    Female
Electoral Year:    1930
State:    New South Wales
District:    Warringah
Subdistrict:    Mosman
   

[trish1120]

Marriage Reg;
James WARNE, June 1886, Southampton, 2c 45
Grace Eliza SPAYNE on page

So James must have been married before.

1891 Census we have;
James Warne, 36
Grace, 27
FLORENCE, 9 (c 1882 Southampton)
James, 7
Grace, 4
Alice, 3
Maud, 1

1881 Census James is Married to a MARY born c 1855 Southampton. They are both aged 26.
He is a Painter as was his Occp 1891/1901/1911

Death Reg;
MARY ELIZA Warne, Sept 1883, Southampton, 2c 19, age 28

[trish1120]

Possible?
Marriage FreeBMD;
James WARNE, Dec 1880, South Stoneham, 2c 146
Mary Eliza PUNTIS on same page

[trish1120]

Name:    Florence M G Warne
Gender:    Female
Age:    28
Birth Date:    abt 1885
Departure Date:    28 Feb 1913
Port of Departure:    London, England
Destination Port:    Fremantle, Australia
Ship Name:    Orontes
Search Ship Database:    Search the 'Orontes' in the 'Passenger Ships and Images' database
Shipping Line:    Orient Line
Official Number:    115707

Image is age 22 not 28

Hi 888shelley,
I wonder where you got Mabel Flood as Florences Mother?
Do you have her Marriage Cert to Eric?
Her 1977 Death Cert?

Trish

[Annette7]

I've found another family that seems to fit - in Norfolk although not in Loddon.  I think the Javus should be Jabez!

1901 - Gt. Dunham, Norfolk

Jabez Warnes     36     Farmer        b. Sedgeford, Norfolk
Charlotte Warnes     33                   b. Russia, British Subject
Florence Warnes    9                       b. East Dereham, Norfolk
Arthur Warnes       4                                 ditto
Gladwys Warnes    1                                  ditto
James   7 mths                              b. Gt. Dunham, Norfolk
plus servant

ref. RG13 - 1874 - 46 - 12

Whilst Javus could indeed be Jabez, wife Charlotte was born in Russia which ties in, surname is Warnes and the following census does show they'd had 12 children, 4 of whom had died and alot of their names tie in.   However, I can find no trace of a birth for a Florence Mabel Gwyneth Warnes anywhere and births index would suggest their daughter Florence was actually Florence May.  She is the right age for F M G.   The registration district for the area they lived in was Mitford and this seems to be the births of their known children:

Florence May Warnes    Jun.1891 Mitford
Arthur Edward Warnes  Jun.1896 Mitford
Gladys Warnes             Sept.1899 Mitford
James William Warnes   Sept.1900 Mitford
Charley Warnes             Sept.1902 Mitford
Thomas Albert Warnes   Jun.1904 Mitford
Ena Louisa Warnes        Jun.1906 Mitford
Lily Rosanna Warnes     Jun.1907 Mitford
Robert J. Warnes          Jun.1911 Mitford

James William b.1900, died 1902 - there are a number of infant Warnes deaths in the period so the other 3 that died are probably amongst them.

At the moment it looks like Florence May Warnes is the one who later is Florence Mabel Gwyneth.!!

There is no family on the census which matches all the names you give plus there is no Warnes/Mabel Flood marriage and no F M G birth.   

However, the surname is Warnes, it is in Norfolk, Javus sounds like Jabez, a Florence of the right age, mother born in Russia and they had in total 12 children (with 2 others being Ena and Lily).  Too much seems to fit here.

Until you come back and comment we can do no more.

Annette