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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 14:39 BST (UK) »
The Muster Rolls c1630, “Men & Arms, edited by the late RJ Hunter does not list anyone of that name in Monaghan at that time.  Nearest was Richard Dichare & John Dicher both in the Bishop of Kilmore’s estate in the barony of Castleraine, Co. Cavan.
thanks for that Elwyn Soutter do you happen to know from the above info if the bishop of kilmores estate belongs to the perths or nor 
if its negative
ill follow the trail of Richard and john once again thanks for your assistance 

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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 16:40 BST (UK) »
What was the name of the Duke of Perth?
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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 19:23 BST (UK) »
Drummond was the son of Patrick Drummond (3rd Lord Drummond) and Lady Elizabeth Lindsay. He married Jean Kerr, daughter of Sir Robert Kerr, 1st Earl of Roxburghe and Mary Maitland, on 28 August 1613. He succeeded to his father's title of 4th Lord Drummond in 1602 and then on 8 December 1611 (by special remainder) to the title of Earl of Perth created for his brother James Drummond (1586–1611).

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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 19:36 BST (UK) »
sorry about that james was his first name james Drummond
James, Lord Drummond, Ambassador to Spain, was created Earl of Perth in 1605.


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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 20:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks.... I didn't see his name in 

Lease Abstracts for the Clones Estate, County Monaghan
Donald M. Schlegel
Clogher Record
Vol. 18, No. 1 (2003), pp. 53-84 but there was the Ker Estate near newbliss.

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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 10 April 18 20:52 BST (UK) »
go raibh maith agat thanks for that

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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 09:22 BST (UK) »
1625 I have been researching the McGruther name in Scotland and concluded that they came to Monaghan as settlers about 1625, as the Duke of Perth on whose land they lived was one of the Undertakers
sorry Elwyn Soutter I meant to ask you on the perth lands in scotalnd where the mcgruthers resided do you happen to know if the   dichear dicher dycher deacher deecher ditcher were also residing there 

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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #25 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 09:58 BST (UK) »

thanks for that Elwyn Soutter do you happen to know from the above info if the bishop of kilmores estate belongs to the perths

I don’t have any specific information for the Bishop of Kilmore’s estate (of 2000 acres) but I would expect it to belong to the Church of Ireland with him being a trustee. I doubt he owned it personally. I also doubt it was leased to the Church. I would expect them to have been the ultimate owner.
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Re: When did protestant settlers first arrive in Monaghan?
« Reply #26 on: Wednesday 11 April 18 10:00 BST (UK) »
1625 I have been researching the McGruther name in Scotland and concluded that they came to Monaghan as settlers about 1625, as the Duke of Perth on whose land they lived was one of the Undertakers
sorry Elwyn Soutter I meant to ask you on the perth lands in scotalnd where the mcgruthers resided do you happen to know if the   dichear dicher dycher deacher deecher ditcher were also residing there

There's no mention of the Drummond family in Monaghan in the county Muster Rolls. So possibly they hadn't arrived in 1630.

I don't know whether Dicher etc was a common name on Perth lands in Scotland.
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