Severnes of Derby

[Crunwere]

I am trying to find more of the background of two brothers:
Francis Leigh Severne 1812 -1900
Thomas Herbert Severne 1826 -1893

Both born in St Peters Derby and as far as I can tell the sons of:
Rev Francis Severne 1779 – 1832
Louisa Wright 1786 – 1851
I am not sure if the senior Francis was a Rev'd or a jeweller - as another of his sons (Henry De Milt Severne) was also to become a jeweller.

Francis Leigh came down to Pembrokeshire and then eloped to New Zealand.  His brother Thomas Herbert came down to Carmarthenshire where his wife was poisoned with arsenic (though not by him!).

We are not family connected but both I and someone else are researching the Welsh sides of the stories and are trying to find more about their backgrounds, so any information would be most appreciated.

Also where would the De Milt part of the name have come from?

[Schoch]

    UK, De Ruvigny's Roll of Honour, 1914-1924 Record for Henry Francis Severne

I think you will find the De Milt name is located in there, connected to Arthur De Milt Severne and his son Henry Francis Severne who was killed in WW1.
Take it that is your tree on Ancestry with the phots attached?

[Crunwere]

Yes I have added them onto Ancestry to try and make sense of it all.

Yes I have not 'come forward' with the De Milts yet but believe you are right with his descendants - I just wondered where the name came from originally to pop into the family.

[spendlove]

Hi,

Notice of death in Derby Mercury Wed. 25th July 1832:-

On the 24th Inst, after a short illness, Francis Severne Esq., of Litchurch, near this
place, in his 54th year.

Which suggests he was not a Reverend.

Derby Mercury  30th January 1828 Death:-
On Thursday last the 24 inst, the Reverend Francis Severne, Rector of Abberley, Worcestershire

Derby Mercury 9th November 1831:-
Early this morning in the 18th year of her age Louisa eldest daughter of Mr. Severne of the Field,
near this place.

Derby Mercury 17th April 1839
Yesterday at St. Werburgh's Church in this Town, by the Rev. Francis Severne Rector of Abberley
Worcestershire Mr. George Morton Perns, of Stockport, to Jane the second daughter and at the
same time Mr. Francis Severne of this town, to Mary, the third daughter of John Egerton Killer
of Friar Gate.

So looks like there were 2 Rev. Francis Severnes from Abberley.

Derby Mercury 9th October 1839 Marriage
Yesterday at St. Peter's Church, in this town, by the Rev. Francis Severne Rector of Abberley, Worcs, the Rev. Maxwell Dunn of Exeter College, Oxford to Elizabeth Emma the only surviving
daughter of the late Francis Severne Esq of Litchurch near Derby.

Derby Mercury 23rd November 1842 Death
At Birmingham William, fifth son of the late F. Severne Esq., in his 20th year.

Derby Mercury 8th March 1843 Death
On Wednesday 1st March at Abberley Rectory, Worcs Jane the only Daughter of the late and
sister of the present Rev. Francis Severne

Derby Mercury 23rd April 1851 Death
On the 16th inst Louisa, aged 64, relict of the late F. Severne Esq

Spendlove

[spendlove]

Hi,

Confirmation that Francis Severn died 1832 Derby was a Jewler is to be found
on the Public Records Office site:-
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/records/wills.htm
Scroll to end of page enter name and covering dates 1831 to 1841 you then get:-

Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Will of Francis Severne, Jeweller of Derby , Derbyshire.
Collection: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury
Date range: 24 November 1832 - 24 November 1832
Reference:PROB 11/1808/259
Subjects:Wills and probate
ALSO
Prerogative Court of Canterbury and related Probate Jurisdictions: Will Registers. Will of Reverend Francis Severne, Rector, Clerk of Abberley , Worcestershire.
Collection: Records of the Prerogative Court of Canterbury
Date range: 24 April 1828 - 24 April 1828
Reference:PROB 11/1739/288
Subjects:Wills and probate


You can purchase the wills on line and receive Pdf by e-mail.

Spendlove

[Crunwere]

Wow thanks so much Spendlove - you have supplied us with a lot of information.

Way too many Francis'!!

We have Francis Severne 1779 – 1832 married to Louisa Wright 1786 – 1851 (though I have a friend who has Francis mentioned on a marriage cert of a son in the 1840s - so something is not right).  I shall copy him all this info and see if we can make sense of it all.

Once again thanks for your help - I thought Severne would be a reasonably easy name to track down!

[Crunwere]

Hi - have added some of the info in thanks very much - but was wondering if people could help with another dilemma.

Thomas Herbert Severne who was born to Francis and Louisa in 1826 married as follows:

Mary Ann Crocorne
Date of Registration:    Oct-Nov-Dec 1842
Registration district:    Nottingham
Inferred County:    Nottinghamshire

(The marriage was on 18th October 1842 at the Parish church of St Peter in Nottingham. According to the certificate Thomas Herbert was of full age and rank or profession was Gentleman. she, Mary Ann Crocorne was also of full age has no given profession or rank her father is given as John Crocorne of Broad Marsh (area of Nottingham) he was a Victualler (presumably as in Licenced Victualler). Marriage was by licence.)  Was the name transcribed incorrectly as we cannot find any CROCORNES.

It was this poor Mary Ann who was poisoned in Laugharne, Carmarthenshire in 1850.  But apart from this entry her name seems untraceable - maybe it was written incorrectly.

Also as Thomas Herbert was the son of gentry 16 seems extremely young to marry and be banished to Wales - although his elder brother Francis Leigh was also in Pembrokehsire about 15 miles away.

[spendlove]

Hi,

Just because a father is mentioned on marriage does not mean he is alive.

Re first marriage of Thomas Herbert Severne, the surname of his wife Crocorne/crocome
this is the only entry on civil registration for this name/s so obviously incorrect.

Mary Ann was probably also under age although both state "full age", and gave incorrect
surname for obvious reasons.  Suggest the info about her Father is probably correct have
you tried looking in Trade directories for suitable publican named  John living Broad Marsh?
Worth a try anyway.

Have you any idea of her age when she died?

The following is the entry in Cambridge Alumni re Rev Francis Severne (Junior)
http://venn.lib.cam.ac.uk/Documents/acad/search.html
Francis. Severne
College: SIDNEY
Entered: Michs. 1808
More Information:

Adm. pens. at SIDNEY, Nov. 7, 1808; from Magdalen Hall, Oxford, whence he had matric. Oct. 26, 1803, age 18. S. of the Rev. Francis, of Abberley, Worcs. B. there, Mar. 5, 1785. School, private (under his father). Matric. Michs. 1808; LL.B. 1810. Ord. deacon, 1810; priest, 1811. R. of Abberley with Kyre-Wyard, Worcs., 1828-65. Disappears from Crockford, 1866. (Al. Oxon

He disappears from Crockford 1866 is because of mental illness:-

See Public record office ref C 211/35/71

Chancery: Petty Bag Office: Commissions and Inquisitions of Lunacy. CHRONOLOGICAL ARRANGEMENT. 28 Victoria : Severne, The Rev Francis: of The Rectory, Abberley, Worcs.
Collection: Records created, acquired, and inherited by Chancery, and also of the Wardrobe, Royal Household, Exchequer and various commissions
Date range: 01 February 1865 - 28 February 1865
Reference:C 211/35/71
Subjects:Mental illness

Spendlove


Spendlove

[Crunwere]

Thanks for that. 

Mary Ann was 30 when she died so was born in 1820 – 6 years Thomas Herbert’s senior which makes the marriage even even more odd he 16 she 24.

I did try googling for trade directories but found nothing - do you know where I should look?