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Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« on: Friday 29 March 13 18:25 GMT (UK) »
My grandfather’s marriage and death certificates gave me the SCOTT & OGSTON names.
Isabella SCOTTs death cert lead me to look for CADGER.
Who was his mother?
See snips below.

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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #1 on: Friday 29 March 13 20:17 GMT (UK) »
His mother appears to be Isabella SCOTT, daughter of Isabella CADGER who married William OGSTONE....... if the certificates are at least correct in that part, it seems Isabella (SCOTT) and later her son, both used surnames of their fathers - event though both were, each in their turn, illigitimately born.

Alexander PITTENDREIGH - b abt 1848/49
His marriage certificate seems to quite clearly indicate his parents, Alexander PITTENDREIGH & Isabella SCOTT were not married (to each other). Yet he has used his father's surname.

Alexander's  death certificate, may be mis-informed that his mother was married PITTENDREIGH ms OGSTON or that his parents were married at all. The inormation seems to be a cobbling of a few separate part truths. Perhaps the informant  partially mixed up his mother and his maternal grandmother, or was simply under the false impression that what he/she informed was correct.

It seems that Isabella SCOTT's death certificate is mostly correctly informed - does it say her mother is "CADGER or OGSTON" or does it say "ms OGSTON"? (I can't quite make it out). It appears she also used her father's surname even though her mother was unmarried at the time she was born.   The Census seems to indicate, William OGSTON was her stepfather, and CADGER was her mother's (probable) maiden name (probable,  because her mother is shown with the CADGER  surname in 1841). Wonder who the GORDON laddie is though....

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1841: Whitewell, Tyrie, Aberdeenshire
William OGSTONE 60,
Isabel CADGER 33,
Isabel SCOTT 13,
James GORDON 12,
William OGSTONE 6,
John OGSTONE 3,
Elizabeth OGSTONE 8 mths,
Elizabeth FRASER 53, Female Servant,
ALL Born Aberdeenshire

http://www.freecen.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
1851: Whytewell, Tyrie, Aberdeenshire
Head: William OGSTON 80, Crofter& Butcher, b Tyrie
Wife: Isabella OGSTON 45, b Fraserburgh
DauLaw: Isabella SCOTT 21, Farm Servant, b Strichen, Aberdeenshire
Dau: Elizabeth OGSTON 10, b Tyrie
Son: Robert OGSTON 8, b Tyrie
Dau: Joan OGSTON 4, b Tyrie
Son: Charles OGSTON 3, b Tyrie
Dau; Barbara OGSTON 6, b Tyrie

1861: Milltown Boyndlie, Tyrie - in Household of William FOWLIE, Parochioal Schoolamster &  Farmer 50 acres
Servant: Charles OGSTON 12, Cattle Boy, b Tyrie
Servant: Alexander PETTERBRIGH??, 9, b Tyrie

1871: Alexander PITINDREICH 20, b Tyrie
Farm Servant at Mains Of Auchnagatt, New Deer (Savoch)

BIRTHS IGI: At Tyrie, to parents: William OGSTON & Isabella CADGER
William OGSTON b 19 Jun 1834
John OGSTON b 7 May 1838
Elizabeth OGSTON b 13 Oct 1840
Robert OGSTON b 13 Jan 1842
Barbara OGSTON b 13 Mar 1843 
Joanna OGSTON b 18 Dec 1845
Charles OGSTON b 2 Nov 1848

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #2 on: Friday 29 March 13 21:09 GMT (UK) »
This looks like Alexander's mother from 1861 to 1891 (and his grandmother in 1861/71):

1861: Poor House, Low Street, Fraserburgh, (New Pitsligo)
Head: Wd OGSTON* 56, Pauper Domestic Servant, b Fraserburgh
Dau: Isabella SCOTT 31, Pauper Domestic Servant, b Strichen, Fraserburgh
Great-Grandchild: Barbara STACER 5, b New Pitsligo, fraserburgh
Grandchild: Isabella CLARK
(*this is a female ,  Wd = Widow OGSTON)

1871: Poore Lodging House, Tyrie (New Pitsligo)
Head: Isabella OGTON 70, Formly Dom Servt A Pauper, b Fraserburgh
Dau: Isabella SCOTT 36*, Domestic Servant, b Tyrie
Grand-Dau: Barbara OGTON 16, Domestic Servant, b Tyrie
Grand-Son: William HEPBURN 10, Scholar, b Tyrie
Grand-Son: John CLARK 4,  b Tyrie
Grand-Dau: Jean SMITH 9mths, b Tyrie
(Clearly the age of 36 is way wrong in this transcript - original should be checked)
(Name could be enumerated as OGTON(E), OPTON(E) or OGSTON(E)

1881: 46 Low Street, Tyrie (New Pitsligo)
Head: Isabella SCOTT 59, …...maker?, b Strichen,
Daughter: Barbara SLESSOR 26, Pauper, b Tyrie

1891: Poors Lodging, Fraser, Tyrie (New Pitsligo)
Isabella SCOTT 66,  Pauper, b New Pitsligo
Seems to be is household with:
Ellen PHILLIP 78, Mary MOWAT 80, Mary COWIE 68, Agnes CASSIE 72.

The 1881 Census appears to indicate Barbara SLESSOR (STACER / OGSTON?) birn abt 1855 is Isbella SCOTT's daughter (your Alexander's sister?). If she was born in 1855, would be very interesting to get her BC!  In 1901, she is age 45, b Tyrie and a Patient  in the Buchan Combination Poorhouse, New Deer.

Cheers
AMBLY
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #3 on: Saturday 30 March 13 09:30 GMT (UK) »
Gosh Ambly that is just brilliant. I greatly appreciate you taking time to advance my research so far so quickly.  I'll now have to get copies of the original documents and take time to get my head around the new research lines your data has opened up for me.
I think you have saved me from making a major mistake about my pre 1800 research.
Thanks for all your work on my ancestry.

Sy
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #4 on: Saturday 30 March 13 20:11 GMT (UK) »
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,641507.0.html
The above is a link to another post on this family.
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #5 on: Saturday 30 March 13 21:00 GMT (UK) »
It occurred to me, that Alexander in 1851 (well, I think it''s him,  as a Farm Servant along with Charles OGSTON)  is enumerated as age 9, making him born more like abt 1851/1852. Then in 1861 (again pretty sure it's him), he's 20. And he wasn't in  the 1851 Census family listing either.   
I would have suggested he didn't know the exact yr he was born - but for the fact of the 1861, where I assume he gave the information on his age! Did he make himself older when he married in 1870, to make himself 'of full age' and a step ahead of his bride, then kept up the pretence from then on?

And I think  Isabella CADGER was married before she married OGSTON:
Isabella CADGER & Charles GORDON married 28 May 1829, Strichen.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJG-C61

It looks to me  like she went to the GORDON marriage, with her daughter Isabella (SCOTT) in tow and then had James GORDON  (age 12 in 1841) within the marriage.

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AMBLY
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #6 on: Sunday 31 March 13 13:17 BST (UK) »
It occurred to me, that Alexander in 1851 (well, I think it''s him,  as a Farm Servant along with Charles OGSTON)  is enumerated as age 9, making him born more like abt 1851/1852. Then in 1861 (again pretty sure it's him), he's 20. And he wasn't in  the 1851 Census family listing either.   
I would have suggested he didn't know the exact yr he was born - but for the fact of the 1861, where I assume he gave the information on his age! Did he make himself older when he married in 1870, to make himself 'of full age' and a step ahead of his bride, then kept up the pretence from then on?
And I think  Isabella CADGER was married before she married OGSTON:
Isabella CADGER & Charles GORDON married 28 May 1829, Strichen.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJG-C61
It looks to me  like she went to the GORDON marriage, with her daughter Isabella (SCOTT) in tow and then had James GORDON  (age 12 in 1841) within the marriage.
Cheers
AMBLY
Hello again,
I called your earlier analyses 'brilliant' so I already used up that term.
This summary is so clear and concise that I can easily get my head around it.
Thank you very much once again.
Cheers,
Sy
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 31 March 13 22:22 BST (UK) »
1861: Milltown Boyndlie, Tyrie - in Household of William FOWLIE, Parochioal Schoolamster &  Farmer 50 acres
Servant: Charles OGSTON 12, Cattle Boy, b Tyrie
Servant: Alexander PETTERBRIGH??, 9, b Tyrie

1871: Alexander PITINDREICH 20, b Tyrie
Farm Servant at Mains Of Auchnagatt, New Deer (Savoch)

The Freecen transcriber of the 1861 Census got it wrong, snip #01 below clearly reads as PITTINDRIGH which confirms the ages given on the Marriage and Death certs are out by two/three years.
I have another contender for Alexander at age 20,  see snips #02 & #03 below.
Thanks for pointing me in this new direction with my research.
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Re: Isabella aka CADGER-OGSTON-SCOTT
« Reply #8 on: Monday 01 April 13 00:30 BST (UK) »
Hi Sy

(Snip2) On the face of it, the only listed son of Alexander the Farmer in 1871, does look so interesting, doesn't it! Three daughters in the house.... it wouldn't be unheard of for an illigitimate son and heir to be taken into the home of the father (and in this case, if that was the right scenario, father had to have had an adulterous relationship with that son's mother). However, this son of the farmer looks to have taken over the 202 acre family farm and is on it in 1881 - whilst in that same census your Alexander is I believe, in Kincardinshire, an Ag Lab,  with his wife Mary MILNE?

(Snip3 is the same one I'd found earlier - which I still think is your man)

In CENSUS 1851 at Nether Glaslay (ie: Glasslaw), Aberdour, Alexander PITTENDRIGH 45, the Snr, Farmer and his wife Margaret CAMPBELL , have in their household - Dau Elizbeth 3 and Son Alexander age 1, b Aberdour, Aberdeenshire.

MARRIAGE: 24 Jan 1846, Aberdour, Aberdeenshire
Alexander PITTENDRIGH & Margaret CAMPBELL

BIRTH: Parents: Alexander PITTENDRIGH & Margaret CAMPBELL
Son: Alexander - 23 May 1849, Aberdour

CENSUS 1881 at Nether Glaslane (Glasslaw?),  - the son:
Head: Alexander PITTENDRIGH 31 (b abt 1850) farmer of 202 acres with his wife Margaret age 26.

I suppose, it is entirely possible that farmer Alexander Snr of Aberdour DID have an adulterous relationship with your Alexander's mother, Isabella SCOTT and she resolutely named that child after him - thereby he ended up with two sons with the same name - one legitimate, one not!!

And that possibility - is even more interesting to consider, when you see that in 1851, Farmer Alexander has in his household the following:
Servant: James SCOTT 15, farm Labourer, b Fraserburgh (abt 1836)

Cheers
AMBLY
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