Jane Duncan (nee Haitley)

[blamcca]

An ancestor of mine- Janet Knox Duncan- was born on the 8 May 1830. So armed with this birthdate from the family bible I think I have found her, the daughter of Alexander Duncan and Jean/Jane Haitley/Heatlie. Born on the 8 May 1830 in St. Boswells, Roxburghshire. However now I am having troubles with tracing her family further back. According to her marriage entry she was the daughter of the 'late Alexander Duncan, Baker'. I found Janet in the 1841 census with her mother, Jane, and siblings Margaret and Walter. I couldn't be sure of which Janet was her in the 1851 census although, because there were so many, I think she had moved to Edinburgh by then, because that is where she got married.

In the 1851 census however I found a Jane Duncan, Widow and House Servant for the Croxen family of St. Boswells. However the age doesn't match up at all, in the 1841 census Jane was apparently 38 and in the 1851 census if this is her she is now 40!! Unless there is a transcription error or the 1851 age was just a guesstimate by the head.
Also in 1851 I found Walter Duncan, Scholar aged 17, head of household and living alone (a little odd I thought).

Now in the 1861 census I am sure I have found Jane although in this census she is apparently 52! So many discrepancies. She is still living in St. Boswells and is listed as a baker's widow (which is true). Can't find Walter though, although there is a Walter Duncan of roughly the right age living in Liverpool, apparently born in Scotland.

I couldn't find Jane in any later censuses, perhaps others can (or maybe she died).
Anyway I decided to try and trace backwards and I have come up with 2 possibilities for Jane, there was a Jean Haitley born to John Haitley and Betty Knox (Knox is Jane's daughters middle name) in 1799 at Lilliesleaf and a Janet Haitley born to the same couple in 1806 in Ancrum. The censuses say that Jane was born in Ancrum. Can anyone perhaps make me a bit more sure of all this? There are a lot of discrepancies.

Thanks in advance.   
Sorry for a lot of information I just like to show what I know so people don't waste there time looking for it as well.

[AMBLY]

Hiya

Thanks for all the detail - it does help save us re-inventing the wheel 

I can't find Jane DUNCAN in 1871 (still looking), but  found her, see next reply!
CENSUS 1881: St Boswell,  ED: 1 /  Page: 11 / Line: 5 / HS 62
Jane DUNCAN 80, b Ancrum, General Servant, St Boswells,

and her death, methinks:
Scotlands People Index
1 x Jane DUNCAN death in ROXBURGH 1881-1891.
By manipulating the search fields - it can be discovered:
She died 1886.
Other surname is: Heatlie
She was 85 years old.
It was registered in St Boswells

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Hah, She's  been incorrectly transcribed in 1871, I'm sure this will be her:

1871: Lessudden, St Boswells, ED: 1 / Pg 6 / HS 34
Head: James BOSWELL 70, Retired Servant, b Ancrum

Lessudden, St Boswells is where Jane DUNCAN, 62, Bakers Widow is at  in 1861. Though I see also, Lessudden is a former name for St Boswells.

So, would be now interesting to see who the informant of her death is and other information off her death cert!

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

This is Jane DUNCAN (nee HEATLIE) son: Walter Davidson DUNCAN
He moved about a bit!

1861: 5 Murray Lane, St Montrose, Angus
Walter D DUNCAN 26, Grocer's Salesman, b Ancrum Roxb.

1871: Garlshore? Siddings? Colttage, Kirkintilloch, Dumbartonshire
Head: Walter D DUNCAN 36, ----? Man, (Gentleman?) b Ancrum Roxb.
with wife Margaret 33, ----ntemans wife? b Glasgow & 7 children:
Alexander- 12, Grace S-10,  George M -8 , b Arbroath, Forfar
Jane H - 6, Walter G - 4, Robert M - 3, William G - 1mth, b Kirkintilloch

Note: Eldest son and 2nd eldest daughter on the  1871 Census are named: Alexander  and Jane H DUNCAN  (fits naming pattern). Dau Jane's birthplace appears to be incorrect as the IGI have it in Lanarkshire (below). Perhaps she was born at the home of her mother's folks but they lived at or were shortly afterwards at,  Kirkintilloch. Occupation of 'Gentleman' for Walter, if that is correct - hmm, combined with the moving about, appears to be in reduced circumstance in 1881 below ....he may have been a bit of an 'entrepeneur' type ?

1881: Parkfoot, Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Head; Walter DUNCAN 46, General Labourer, b St Boswells, Roxb.
Dau: Grace DUNCAN 20, Domestic Servant, b Abroath, Forfar
Son: Walter DUNCAN 15,  Apprentice Blacksmith, b Kirkintilloch, Dunb.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTJB-VBQ
Walter Davidson DUNCAN and Margaret MARSHALL
Married: 10 Jun 1857, Arbroath

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQZW-7XH
Jane Heatlie DUNCAN b 26 Jun 1864, Tradeston, Glasgow,
Parents: Walter Davidson DUNCAN and Margaret MARSHALL

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Someone has quite a big a* tree centered around Walter, I think.
Says wife1, Margaret MARSHALL died 1873 and he remarried Margaret STEWART btw 1881-1891.  His daughter Grace's middle name was Sharp. Walter died 7 April 1912, Kilsyth.

1891: Kilsyth, Stirlingshire
Head: Walter DUNCAN 56, Gen Labourer, b St Boswells, Roxb.
Wife: Marg't DUNCAN 56, b Bannickburn, Stirling
Step-Son: Rob STEWART 22, Gen Labourer,  b Auchterarder, Perth
Son: Wm DUNCAN 20, Tailor, b Kirkintilloch, Dunb.

1901: Walter &  Margaret and Rob STEWART, are still all together in Kilsyth,

Nothing on the tree for Walter's sister Janet though, save her name and 1841 Census. Nothing for Jane HEATLIE past the 1861 Census either.

Cheers
AMBLY

[blamcca]

Wow AMBLY!!!
I'll get that death certificate later, need some more credits on ScotlandsPeople. I'll let you know when I get it.
So I wonder what prompted Walter to move around a lot, perhaps he kept getting trouble  So it seems he adopted the middle name Davidson, perhaps a lead, Janet did the same with Knox.
I wouldn't imagine the tree would have much about Janet, she got married in Apr 1852 to Samuel Inglis and in May 1852 they got on a ship and went to Australia.

Could you find anything about Margaret Duncan (Jane's other daughter)? I think I found her in the 1851 census as a Servant for the French family.

[blamcca]

I have found Walter's wife number 2, she was Margaret Orr Johnston before she married Robert Stewart in 1866
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/XTTY-GXD
Not sure when Robert died though.
And I found that Margaret Stewart married Walter in 1882 in Kilsyth.

[AMBLY]

Great - All parts of the jigsaw 

Margaret DUNCAN, b abt 1831 St Boswells (or Ancrum) might be a bit more difficult to find than her brother, Walter:(

I agree, you probably have the right girl in 1851.

I found a Mrs Jane Heatlie ROBERTSON in the 1881 Census, age 28 b Eckford, Roxburghshire, wife of John.
https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/KMFQ-3PN
And wondered if she may be a daughter of Margaret - but it appears from what I can find , that this Jane's ms is HEATLIE (father's name Thomas).

Cheers
AMBLY

[AMBLY]

Oh, I had a question!

I found  an online website about Janet and Samuel and their children:
http://shrinkalink.com/62937
Their Children all born Aussie:
Jane 1853
Samuel
Mary
Janet ( b 1860, died 1860, Teatree Gully Broken Hill SA, B & D registered as Janet INGLIS).
Helen
Alexander Duncan
Elizabeth

Samuel's parents were: Samuel & Mary  - and 1st Son, 2nd Dau are: Samuel & Mary (fits pattern)

2nd Son and first Daughter are: Alexander Duncan & Jane = fits pattern for mother's  parents to be Alexander DUNCAN and Jane.

Naming patterns can be a real help in Scottish genealogy especially!

They could've give dau Jane 1853, a middle name of Heatlie, eh, wouldv'e been so much easier !

My question is:  Did Janet Knox INGLIS ( nee DUNCAN) die in 1904 in Broken Hill NSW , as it says on that site?

Cheers
AMBLY