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Offline patty38

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Second opinion required, please.
« on: Tuesday 02 April 13 16:33 BST (UK) »
I am trying to find a birth/baptism record for my 2 x gt. g.father Francis Eeles (spelled many different ways) he was born in Melbeck Park/Feetham/Gunnerside, Yorks about 1808 fathers name James (from marriage, birth certs and census info.)  The only record I can find is for a Francis Eil baptised 11May 1806 @ Low Row, formerly Smarber Hall, Swaledale father James Mother Ann.
The spelling of Eeles varies so much it is very hard to pin down correct info, but I have checked that the places mentioned are all in the same area and am wondering if this is my Francis. Do you think i'm correct, can anyone offer a 2nd opinion or any ideas on how to confirm it.
Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance.
Pat
BRIGGS especially WILLIAM b. 1839 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and MY BRICK WALL.

Richardson - Northumberland and Durham
Briggs - Durham and Sth Wales
Proud, Chapman - Durham and North Yorkshire
Hetherington - Cumberland/Northumberland and Durham
Eeles - Durham
Blair, Herd - Scotland
Murphy, McKenna, Connery - Ireland
also - Corps - Wear - Hutchinson & Fawell .

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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #1 on: Tuesday 02 April 13 16:44 BST (UK) »
Some ideas:
DId James and Ann baptise any siblings of Francis? Can you follow them and see if there is any confirmation that they are the same family?
Can you find when James/Ann died? Did they leave Wills - if so does it mention their son Francis and does the info tie up with what you know of 'your'Francis?
When you say you have found this baptism, have you actually been through the PRs for all those neighbouring villages and this was the only one you found, or is it just something that has popped up from site transcribing some PRs? In which case yours may be there somewhere, but just not one that has been transcribed!
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 03 April 13 20:27 BST (UK) »
Hello, thanks for your answer. Yes I have found other siblings baptisms but can't take them any further as  the name dissapears, I couldn't find any wills or probate  and this is the only Francis with a surname that sounded remotely like Eeles that I could find anywhere in the relevant district. All I know for certain is that on Francis' marriage cert. his father is down as James and there it stops.  Maybe I'm clutching at straws but everything else I've tried had come up nil.  Anyway I'll keep searching and thanks again for your help another opinion is always welcome.
Regards Pat.
BRIGGS especially WILLIAM b. 1839 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and MY BRICK WALL.

Richardson - Northumberland and Durham
Briggs - Durham and Sth Wales
Proud, Chapman - Durham and North Yorkshire
Hetherington - Cumberland/Northumberland and Durham
Eeles - Durham
Blair, Herd - Scotland
Murphy, McKenna, Connery - Ireland
also - Corps - Wear - Hutchinson & Fawell .

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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 04 April 13 07:35 BST (UK) »
So, were the other baptisms of children of Jane and Ann also clearly Eli?
Edmonds/Edmunds - mainly Sussex
DeBoo - London
Green - Suffolk
Parker - Sussex
Kemp - Essex
Farrington - Essex
Boniface - West Sussex

census information is Crown Copyright from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk


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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #4 on: Thursday 04 April 13 15:26 BST (UK) »
Yes all baptised at the same church with the same parents names and the surname EIL (this is a very weird spelling that I havn't seen before). They were John 1793 James 1795 Nancy 1798 Mary 1801 Jervas 1803 and Francis 1806. The only reason i thought the name might be mis-spelled is that I can't find any of them anywhere else.
At last have found a Jervas on 1851 census under EELES and year and place of birth match  also marriage in 1842 under EELES which looks promising.
BRIGGS especially WILLIAM b. 1839 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and MY BRICK WALL.

Richardson - Northumberland and Durham
Briggs - Durham and Sth Wales
Proud, Chapman - Durham and North Yorkshire
Hetherington - Cumberland/Northumberland and Durham
Eeles - Durham
Blair, Herd - Scotland
Murphy, McKenna, Connery - Ireland
also - Corps - Wear - Hutchinson & Fawell .

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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 04 April 13 16:17 BST (UK) »
I think I can see a possibility for Jervas transcribed as Jervis Sills (looks like Eills on image) in 1851 Middlestone and Westerton, Durham age 48 b. Swaledale with wife Eliz and lodger Geo Maudling.

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 :D guess we were typing at the same time.
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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 04 April 13 16:33 BST (UK) »
Thanks Pinetree, is the 1851 census Piece 2385 Folio 25 Page 9 if so found another version with name EELES and wifes name Elizabeth matches up with 2 names on marriage record in 1842.
Pat.
BRIGGS especially WILLIAM b. 1839 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and MY BRICK WALL.

Richardson - Northumberland and Durham
Briggs - Durham and Sth Wales
Proud, Chapman - Durham and North Yorkshire
Hetherington - Cumberland/Northumberland and Durham
Eeles - Durham
Blair, Herd - Scotland
Murphy, McKenna, Connery - Ireland
also - Corps - Wear - Hutchinson & Fawell .

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« Reply #7 on: Thursday 04 April 13 16:43 BST (UK) »
Yes that's the one. Did you find him in 1861 too? Now a widower Jervis Eals boarder with James and Mary Ann Gibbon in Ferry Hill, Durham b. Melbeck.  Piece 3617, 94, 24.

Certainly looks good in terms of name spelling and places to tie in the baptism for Francis I would think.

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Re: Second opinion required, please.
« Reply #8 on: Thursday 04 April 13 17:13 BST (UK) »
No I missed that one  ::)  (its all the different spellings) but will look it up, thanks.
I'm getting a good feeling about this being the right family it just shows never give up hope.
Many thanks again
Pat.
BRIGGS especially WILLIAM b. 1839 MY GREAT GRANDFATHER and MY BRICK WALL.

Richardson - Northumberland and Durham
Briggs - Durham and Sth Wales
Proud, Chapman - Durham and North Yorkshire
Hetherington - Cumberland/Northumberland and Durham
Eeles - Durham
Blair, Herd - Scotland
Murphy, McKenna, Connery - Ireland
also - Corps - Wear - Hutchinson & Fawell .