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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #18 on: Friday 10 May 13 12:01 BST (UK) »
Hi

The marriage details are as follows, not sure they are going to be too helpful.

St Peter the Great 30 Jun 1883
Joseph Marsh 30 bachelor Painter of Orchard St father Henry Marsh Solicitor
Emma Parker 25 spinster of West End father John Parker Labourer

Witnesses Arthur Parker and Martha Barnes
All parties signed

I couldn't find the earlier William Leonard marriage, definitely not in Bosham but unfortunately the relevant Westbourne fiche was being used  and there are no Westbourne transcripts. I did hang around a while but the fiche wasn't returned, I will have another look at some point.

Sorry I forgot about a photo of St Peters will also do that.

Jan ;)
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #19 on: Friday 10 May 13 12:43 BST (UK) »
Well done Jan :)

Father: Henry Marsh - solicitor.

So here's one to investigate: a John Henry Marsh, son of John Marsh of Chichester entering into articles of clerkship (i.e. training as a solicitor) under James Bennett Freeland of Chichester, 31 May 1821.

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NYLB-8N5

Update: probably not a runner - see next post
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #20 on: Friday 10 May 13 13:06 BST (UK) »
Hmmm...well, there's a burial for John Henry Marsh aged 29, at All Saints Chichester, 9 Nov 1833 - may rule out that candidate.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #21 on: Friday 10 May 13 13:22 BST (UK) »
Hmmm...well, there's a burial for John Henry Marsh aged 29, at All Saints Chichester, 9 Nov 1833 - may rule out that candidate.

Shame

John Henry Marsh was baptised All Saints 8 April 1804 parents John and Sophia

So maybe he was Joseph's grandfather? particulary likely if Joseph was illegitimate? which may explain his non-appearance as Marsh on censuses although not his non-registration.

Jan ;)
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bedfordshire - farr, carver,handley, godfrey, newell, bird, emmerton, underwood,ancell
buckinghamshire- pain
cambridgeshire- bird, carver
hertfordshire- conisbee, bean, saunders, quick,godfrey
derbyshire- allsop, noon
devon - griffin, love, rapsey
dorset- rendall, gale
somerset- rendall, churchill
surrey/middlesex - douglas, conisbee, childs, lyon groombridge

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #22 on: Friday 10 May 13 13:29 BST (UK) »
It looks from the 1833 death duty register (though faint and barely decipherable) as though John Henry Marsh died intestate, his administratrix being Mary Marsh (perhaps she was his widow?).
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #23 on: Friday 10 May 13 14:08 BST (UK) »
Yes, it looks as though JHM had married a Mary:

Preston Chronicle, 5 November 1832

Marriages

On 24 ult., at St Michael's, Toxteth Park, John Henry Marsh, Esq, of Chichester, to Mary, eldest daughter of Wm Hurry, Esq., of Toxteth-park.
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #24 on: Friday 10 May 13 14:10 BST (UK) »
A son, John Henry Pakenham Marsh, was baptised in 1834 after his father's death:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/J7RS-F2Q
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)

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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #25 on: Friday 10 May 13 14:40 BST (UK) »
I now think the search could be getting ahead of itself and to coin a phrase, putting the cart before the horse (or perhaps the cat amongst the pigeons).

Putting social backgrounds to one side, a marriage of 30 year old Joseph Marsh bachelor - Painter, of Orchard St whose father Henry Marsh was a Chichester Solicitor needs to be matched by an 1853 birth or baptism for a Joseph Marsh in that locality, and there isn't one.  Nor is there a supporting census entry in Josephs name.  Solicitors at least should be aware that a child's birth had to be registered, and government documentation adhered to, so we therefore have to conclude that Joseph Marsh's birth was not officially recorded under the Marsh surname and that he did not have the Marsh surname in his early years. 

So was Joseph just brought up by Henry Marsh Solicitor (Census entries to support?) Was Henry parent or grandparent?
Was Joseph an illegitimate son of another member of the family? (perhaps Charlotte was related to Henry the solicitor in some way)
Or was Joseph actually the illegitimate son of the solicitor who was making payments to his mother for her silence and Joseph's upkeep? 

The focus now should be on the solicitor Henry Marsh of Chichester and his activities, until either he died or his reputed son Joseph married.
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Re: Looking for henry marsh in chichester
« Reply #26 on: Friday 10 May 13 15:12 BST (UK) »
The focus now should be on the solicitor Henry Marsh of Chichester and his activities, until either he died or his reputed son Joseph married.

Agreed, absolutely - but who is this Henry? Having been through the Law Lists and Articles of Clerkship, the candidate I identified as worth following up was John Henry Marsh of Chichester, articled in Chichester in 1821 and in practice as an attorney (solicitor) in Chichester by the early 1830s (according to the Law List).

He is therefore the person I have followed up. He died in 1833 leaving a (possibly posthumous) son John Henry Pakenham Marsh, who led a colourful life.

I haven't managed to spot anyone else as an obvious candidate in the Law Lists up to the early 1880s when Joseph's marriage took place.  In 1883 (Law List again) there was no solicitor in Chichester by the name of Henry Marsh (or indeed any Marsh), and the only Henry was Henry Newland.

So - help! Who is it you are looking at?
Ayr: Barnes, Wylie
Caithness: MacGregor
Essex: Eldred (Pebmarsh)
Gloucs: Timbrell (Winchcomb)
Hants: Stares (Wickham)
Lincs: Maw, Jackson (Epworth, Belton)
London: Pierce
Suffolk: Markham (Framlingham)
Surrey: Gosling (Richmond)
Wilts: Matthews, Tarrant (Calne, Preshute)
Worcs: Milward (Redditch)
Yorks: Beaumont, Crook, Moore, Styring (Huddersfield); Middleton (Church Fenton); Exley, Gelder (High Hoyland); Barnes, Birchinall (Sheffield); Kenyon, Wood (Cumberworth/Denby Dale)