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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #18 on: Monday 13 November 17 04:45 GMT (UK) »
Numerous family trees at Anc'y have Mary Hodge born 1813 Harberton as the mother of Henry Terrell Hodge, and show her as having died in 1878 also in Harberton at age 65.

No sources are given, and these could all be mutually copied.

(Another tree shows a Mary Hodge born 1806 having a son John Hodge c1828.)

In 1871, Mary, aged 57, widow, is in Harberton with granddaughter Mary, aged 10.

In 1861, she is 48, in the alms house in Harberton, shown as widowed, with children Samuel 22, John 13, and Frank 9. John's birth was registered with mother Ponsford.

I would think that the oldest boy in that census is

HODGE, SAMUEL  PONSFORD CASLEY     mother PONSFORD      
GRO Reference: 1838  D Quarter in TOTNES UNION DEVON  Volume 09  Page 483

and the household in 1841 in Dittisham, Totnes reg dist, shows mother Mary 25, father William 30, bargeman, several other children, and (presumed) grandmother Mary Ponsford.

I don't think that is the correct Mary Hodge at all.


https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5WP-3B2

Mary Ponsford baptised 03 Oct 1813, Churston Ferrers, Devon, parents John and Mary

Not likely she had a child named Hodge in 1828.
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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 05:25 GMT (UK) »
HODGE, SUSANNA
No mother's maiden name so probably illegitimate.
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in OF THE KINGSBRIDGE UNION  Volume 09  Page 384

Susan was still in the workhouse in 1851.

Debra  :)

Thanks for responding Debra. That was helpful. I looked to see if I could find a death for this Mary Hodge and found a registration that I strongly suspect might be her. A Mary Hodge died in the Kingsbridge district in the March quarter of 1855. Shame. :'( Would be nice to think she had lived a little longer and at least got out of the workhouse. I could at some stage order a copy of the death certificate, although I realise that such a certificate may have limited information. It may be difficult to confirm that she was Henry Terrell Hodge’s mother.

Wonder what happened to her daughter Susanna (Susan). :-\

Polly :)


Hi again,

I am happy to say that I now don't think the Mary Hodge, who died Kingsbridge in 1855, was the correct Mary Hodge. I think the correct one was Mary Hodge who died Totnes district, March quarter 1884, aged 72. At least I hope that's her.

Apart from the 1841 census already mentioned, I also found, in FamilySearch, some more records that I think apply to her. I note she was born in Stoke Fleming:

1851 census:
Place: Stoke Fleming – District: Kingsbridge – County: Devon
Household members:
Henry Webber – head – 47 – born Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Mary Webber – daughter – 20 – born Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Henry Farr – grandson – 10 – born Charleton, Devon
Mary Hodge – servant– unmarried – 40 – house servant – born Stoke Fleming, Devon

1861 census:
Residence: Little Cotton – Place: Stoke Fleming (freecen.org.uk shows Blackawton) – District: Kingsbridge – County: Devon
Household members:
Peter Luscombe – head – 26 – farmer of 26 acres – born Blackawton, Devon
Mary Luscombe – wife – 30 – born Stoke Canon (freecen shows Stoke Gabriel), Devon
Henry Webber – father in law – widower – 57 – retired farmer – born Stoke Canon (freecen shows Stoke Gabriel), Devon
Mary Hodge – servant – unmarried – 52 – house servant –– born Stoke Fleming

1871 census:
Place: Stoke Fleming – County: Devon
Household members:
Mary Hodge – servant – 60 – unmarried – born Stoke Fleming, Devon
Charlotte Knapman – servant – 17 – born Dittisham, Devon

1881 census:
Residence: Galmpton Green – Place: Churston-Ferrers – District: Totnes – County: Devon
Household members:
Emanuel Hall – head – 60 – born Churston Ferrers, Devon
Mary Hodge – servant – 69 – single –born Stoke Fleming, Devon

I’ve found some more records for her daughter Susan too - and some census records and a marriage record. Think she married a John Williams in 1878. But more about this later.

Polly :)

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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 05:44 GMT (UK) »

I am happy to say that I now don't think the Mary Hodge, who died Kingsbridge in 1855, was the correct Mary Hodge.

I think the correct one was Mary Hodge who died Totnes district, March quarter 1884, aged 72.
At least I hope that's her.


Is this her probate details?

The Will of late Mary Hodge of Stoke Gabriel spinster died 17 Mar 1884 at Stoke Gabriel
Probate Date:   31 May 1884 sole executrix sister Charlotte Hodge spinster of Stoke Gabriel

1815 bp Stoke Gabriel Charlotte parents Robert Hodge & Mary
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N5H5-QMQ

Charlotte Hodge age 85 b Stoke Gabriel  living  on own means
1901 RG13; Piece: 2065; Folio: 23; Page: 12
1891 RG12; Piece: 1707; Folio: 164; Page: 9

Charlotte Hodge died age 86  1902 Mar Totnes   Devonshire

Charlotte Hodge
Burial Year:   1902 Stoke Gabriel, Devon
Cemetery:   St Mary and St Gabriel
Relationship:   daughter of Robert Hodge

Edited

Charlotte & Mary Hodge together on
1881 census living Myrtle Cottage RG11; Piece: 2171; Folio: 130; Page: 2
both born Stoke Gabriel , both occupations given as Lady With No Occupation a line has been crossed through occupation

1871 RG10; Piece: 2116; Folio: 33; Page: 14
Charlotte occ land owner & Mary Hodge born Stoke  Gabriel occ annuitant
visitors 4 Albany Place

Not too sure about these census entries might be Mary Hodge :-\
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGNZ-J41
Chorlton Union Workhouse this Mary Hodge is also there 1861
RG 9; Piece: 2867; Folio: 95; Page: 1 - her age is 40 occ cook

Charlotte Hodge niece
1851 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGJ9-QW3










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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #21 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 06:28 GMT (UK) »
I think I will change my username to Chopped Liver.
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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 14 November 17 12:14 GMT (UK) »
HODGE, SUSANNA
No mother's maiden name so probably illegitimate.
GRO Reference: 1841  J Quarter in OF THE KINGSBRIDGE UNION  Volume 09  Page 384

Susan was still in the workhouse in 1851.

Debra  :)

Susan Hodge age 9 is in Kingsbridge Union Workhouse
1851 HO107; Piece: 1875; Folio: 423; Page: 11
also on this census is a
William Hodge age 62 Slapton Devon, pauper – Is he a relation?

Susan Hodge 19 Kingsbridge Union occ. Domestic servant
1861 RG 9; Piece: 1422; Folio: 23; Page: 14
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7TZ-YVK

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I’ve found some more records for her daughter Susan too - and some census records and a marriage record.

Think she married a John Williams in 1878.

Polly :)

Polly I think you are correct re: that 1878 marriage entry

Susan Williams age 40 born Kingsbridge, husband John, John Hodge age 11 noted as stepson
1881 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q276-159Z

This looks to be his birth entry with middle name  there's no mmn given on GRO indexes

HODGE, JOHN  HENRY     -     
1870  J Quarter in KINGSBRIDGE  Volume 05B  Page 215

Susan 29 William 9 & John Henry Hodge  inmates Churchstow, Devonshire
1871 https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:V5BM-NW9

HODGE, WILLIAM  HENRY     -     
1861  S Quarter in KINGSBRIDGE  Volume 05B  Page 198


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Re: Henry Terrell Hodge and Sarah Ann Pugsley born Harberton
« Reply #23 on: Wednesday 15 November 17 05:05 GMT (UK) »
Susan Hodge age 9 is in Kingsbridge Union Workhouse
1851 HO107; Piece: 1875; Folio: 423; Page: 11
also on this census is a
William Hodge age 62 Slapton Devon, pauper – Is he a relation?

Hi Ladyhawk,

I have looked at the 1851 William Hodge, pauper, census record that you spotted and have no idea who he was. Could be a relation, or maybe just a coincidence that another Hodge was in the workhouse at the same time as Susan. It would be good to keep him in mind though.

Chances are Susan’s son John Henry Hodge was born in the Churchstow institution (Kingsbridge Union Workhouse would it be?) – he was under one year old when they were there in 1871. Funnily enough, the Kingsbridge Union Workhouse appears to be where Susan herself was born in 1841. Like mother, like daughter; unwed mothers giving birth in a workhouse. Grim times. :(

Thanks for the information about the birth entries for Susan’s sons. I had seen that 1871 census record prior to this and noticed her son John has the middle name Henry. Now I realise William also had Henry for a middle name. As far as I am aware, Mary Hodge was the mother of three children – Henry Terrell Hodge born 1828, William Hodge born 1832 (both born Harberton – no father’s name) and Susan Hodge born 1841 in Kingsbridge. The fact that Susan chose the names Henry and William for her sons gives some hope of proving a sibling connection there. However, finding the identity of their mother Mary Hodge is proving to be a little more difficult.

Your information regarding the Mary Hodge who died March 1884 has lead me to believe that this is not the right one. I now see that there was a Mary Hodge, aged 81, who died March quarter of 1892, Totnes district. She’d be the right age. Another less likely is a Mary Hodge, aged 72, who died March quarter of 1882, Stoke Damerel district. Quite a lot of Mary Hodges to choose from – seems a common name in Devon.

Happy hunting,

Polly :)