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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #27 on: Thursday 05 December 13 23:53 GMT (UK) »
Hi ELDER researchers!  I'm happy to see this ELDER topic!
  RE: NANCY ELDER PETERSEN
  I just saw my name mentioned, except PETERSEN has all "E's" -- husband has DANISH roots....
E-mail me anytime!

As host of the ELDER Y-DNA project on FamilyTreeDNA server of Houston, Texas,
I have now posted links for many lines of ELDER, including one I have named for "PAXTANG PENNSYLVANIA". 
 JAMES ELDER (Gun of the Gospel) of BALLYMONEY has been identified in that group.

We have discovered that several different DNA lines of ELDER lived in BALLYMONEY,
including the one that matches the "PAXTANG PENNSYLVANIA" DNA group. 
9 Y-DNA kits matching "PAXTANG" group are now posted on the ELDER Y-DNA RESULTS chart:
at
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

See my notes and links for BALLYMONEY
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/ed/BallymoneyData.htm

Several ROBERT ELDER names have been mixed up in the Pennsylvania histories.
I have posted notes about ROBERT ELDER Family of "PAXTANG."
From Book chapter in: "Pennsylvania Genealogies." by Egle, William Henry.  Published 1886.
at
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~nancyelder/EglePAelder.htm
  Pages 151-176
Chapter heading:
    ELDER FAMILY.
 I. ROBERT ELDER, b. about 1679 in Scotland, emigrated from Lough Neagh, County Antrim,
     Ireland, where he had previously settled, to America, about 1730, locating in Paxtang
     township, then Lancaster, now Dauphin county, Pa., on a tract of land near the first ridge of
    the Kittochtinny mountains, five miles north of Harrisburg. He died the 28th of July, 1746, in
      Paxtang, and is buried in the old church grave-yard..."

EGLE's BOOK is also posted full text on GOOGLE BOOKS:
at
http://books.google.com/books?id=d7_akH9VO_cC&dq=%22pennsylvania+genealogies+scotch+irish+and+german%22

In my ELDER Family research, I would like to find ancestors in Scotland to connect the paper trail to my Revolutionary War Soldier,
Robert ELDER, b. 1730 Perth, Scotland - d. 1807 Franklin County, Pennsylvania.
I named my (brother's) DNA group "FRANKLIN COUNTY PA"
 after ELDER ancestors with different DNA from others in the chart.
However, one ELDER line of BALLYMONEY matches my brother's group of "FRANKLIN COUNTY PA".
See:
"Preamble to [Wisconsin] Elder family genealogy"
  "..A copy of my fathers birth certificate states the following facts.
     "My father, James Gray Elder, was born on the
      21st of July in the year 1868.
      His birth was recorded in the District of Derraw, in the
      Superintendent Registrar's District of Ballymoney, in the County of Antrim, North Ireland....
      "His father's name was Joseph Dickey Elder, my grandfather.
       "His mother's name was Margaret Ann (Gray) Elder, my grandmother. ...
        "It was my belief that both my grandfather and grandmother were born in Scotland in the 
         area of Edinburgh. ...

Always a new mystery!
Nancy Elder Petersen
Vancouver, Washington State, USA (Southern Washington on the Columbia River)
Host, ELDER DNA project
http://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder

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Elders in Aghadowey
« Reply #28 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 14:24 BST (UK) »
I have just this past week become extremely interested in the reverend John Elder who died in 1779; minister of Aghadowey for 50 years from 1723. Does anyone know anything about his family? Can he be placed in any of the local Elder families, and in particular is  he a relative of James Elder of Finvoy? their theological views seem to have been very different

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #29 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 16:01 BST (UK) »
At risk of repeating info you already have, the following is an extract from FASTI of the Irish Presbyterian Church:

507 ELDER JOHN: b nr Garvagh, 1693; educ Glas 1713; MA 1715: lic Route Pres 1722; ord Aghadowey 7 May 1723; withdrew with his cong & joined Antrim Pres 1726; ret 1773 when cong returned to Gen Syn; d 24 Sept 1779.
For marrying a couple irregularly he was refused admission as member to Derry Sub-Syn 1726


In my (somewhat limited) experience, had there been a direct link between this John Elder and Rev James Elder of Finvoy, FASTI would make reference to it, and it doesn't.

Good luck with your search :)
Gail
Moorhead - Carnew, Lisnaward & Garvaghy
Barron - Lisnaward
Hay - Coleraine
Elder - Ballymoney, Coleraine, Portstewart
Kennedy - Coleraine & Knock, Belfast
Stevenson - Surrey
Mack & Mussen - Lisburn

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #30 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 17:08 BST (UK) »
Thanks to RootsChat for sending me the alert for this ELDER topic!
I'm also now interested in possible ELDER relatives living in Belfast,
because a Y-DNA match has recently been posted in my brother's DNA category of
"FRANKLIN COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA" with a
Belfast ancestor listed for new kit #323923:
    "Joseph Elder, b. 1900 Belfast, NI  - d. 1987 Chicago IL."

Re: Rev. JOHN ELDER of Aghadowey:
I have reason to believe he is in the "PAXTANG PA" DNA group with Rev. JAMES ELDER of FINVOY, after researching another Rev. JOHN ELDER, of "PAXTANG PA".
....  According to Egle's "Pennsylvania Genealogies," he was born
in the city of Edinburg, January 26, 1706. Sprague says he was left in Edinburgh in care of his uncle, Rev. John Elder, to complete his classical studies and prepare for the ministry..."
  In the Microfiche printout "Parson ELDER" of PA by Egle, a handwritten  page is titled "Two Sermons by John ELDER, Uncle of Parson Elder" - my notes posted
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~nancyelder/pa/ParsonElder.htm

One dated MDCCXXV and one MDCCXXVII, 1725  and 1727.

"Reasons For Moderation In the present Debates amongst Presbyterians in the North Of Ireland.
By John Elder, M.A., Minister of the Gospel (Quotation)
Belfast: Printed by James Blow, and are to be Sold at his Shope, MDCCXXV."

"A Letter To the Reverend Mr. Robert McBride;
Occasion'd by his pretending to defend Mr. Elder's Suspension, and
by devers injurious Reflections cast upon Mr. Elder, in his late Pamphlet,
Ens..the Overtures transmitted by the General Synod, 1725, set in a fair Light, etc.
By John Elder A.M., Minister of the Gospel. (Quotation).
 Belfast, Printed by James Blow, and ...to be Sold at his Shope."

Found in:
LINEN HALL LIBRARY
at
http://www.linenhall.com
 Location Shelfmark Loan Type Availability
BPB Collection  BPB1725.6/Pamphlet Book 95
BPB Collection  BPB1727.1


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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #31 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 17:49 BST (UK) »
Hi Nancy
I am an Elder descendent, living in Belfast, and I would be willing to take a DNA test, if it would help?
Adelaide Finlay Elder was my mother's grandmother, and the family is pretty sure she was related to Rev James Elder of Finvoy as my mother was left a small portrait of him, and his shoe buckle (which I now have).  That said, I haven't been able to definitively establish the link between them.
Gail
Moorhead - Carnew, Lisnaward & Garvaghy
Barron - Lisnaward
Hay - Coleraine
Elder - Ballymoney, Coleraine, Portstewart
Kennedy - Coleraine & Knock, Belfast
Stevenson - Surrey
Mack & Mussen - Lisburn

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #32 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 17:53 BST (UK) »
Thanks to RootsChat for sending me the alert for this ELDER topic!
I'm also now interested in possible ELDER relatives living in Belfast,
because a Y-DNA match has recently been posted in my brother's DNA category of
"FRANKLIN COUNTY PENNSYLVANIA" with a
Belfast ancestor listed for new kit #323923:
    "Joseph Elder, b. 1900 Belfast, NI  - d. 1987 Chicago IL."

Is this the same Joseph Elder?
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Antrim/Clifton_Ward/Herbert_Street/983624
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Antrim/Clifton/Fairfield_Street/184009
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #33 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 19:20 BST (UK) »
Thanks!  That family looks good for the Joseph b. BELFAST 1900.
I'll send the census info to our Y-DNA member in Illinois.

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #34 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 19:42 BST (UK) »
Hi Gail,
  The quickest and cheapest method to show matches in
Y-DNA kits for "PAXTANG" or my brother's "FRANKLIN CO PA" categories,
would be to find one of your known male relatives also named ELDER
 to take the Y-DNA test for $59.00.
I can send you a free kit for that Y-DNA male test.
  See the "PAXTANG" category on the ELDER Y-DNA RESULTS
chart, which has an origins label "I-223", also called "I-ISLES, SCOTS, VIKING."
  While "FRANKLIN CO PA" category on the ELDER Y-DNA RESULTS chart
has an origins label "R1b1, R-M369 or R-P312," which probably comes from ancient Picts of Scotland. 
    So they are easily identified and separated by Y-DNA, male paternal test.
ELDER Y-DNA RESULTS CHART
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https://www.familytreedna.com/public/Elder?iframe=yresults

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Re: Adelaide Finlay Elder (c1850-1913) Coleraine
« Reply #35 on: Tuesday 05 May 15 23:31 BST (UK) »
Thanks!  That family looks good for the Joseph b. BELFAST 1900.
I'll send the census info to our Y-DNA member in Illinois.

If you read the complete details in those 2 census records you will see that Joseph Elder's family are Catholic and from County Louth.
Away sorting out DNA matches... I may be gone for some time many years!