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Burial rules and practices
« on: Thursday 23 May 13 02:07 BST (UK) »
I have a question.  Let's say an ancestor purchases an 8 person or 8 spaces Grave Lot 100 yrs ago, or 50 yrs ago.  The ancestor only uses 4 spaces, and there are 4 spaces left unused.  Can those spaces be used and how?  Thanks!

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Re: Burial rules and practices
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 23 May 13 09:53 BST (UK) »
Certain cemeteries are with the agreement of burial rights owners [BRO] are using such spaces and normally the headstone is reversed and the new inscription would be shown on the new side [now the front]. The Ministry of Justice which has charge of Coroners and cemetery policy operates a committee [Burial and Crematoriums Advisory Group]. There are various representatives on the Group including the National Federation of Cemetery Friends. The aim was to bring forward a draft Legislative Reform Order (LRO) which could amend the Burial Act 1857 and other primary legislation in order to reform the processes governing the exhumation of human remains, the redevelopment of burial grounds and the closure of churchyards, together with some minor reforms to other areas of burial law. Core burial law dates back to 1857 and in 1977 some nearly 40 years ago new regulations were introduced under the Local Authorities [Cemeteries] Order. This permitted graves purchased  a 100 years earlier and not used to be recycled by the LA. The example that you quote clearly raises other issues for example where the original BRO is deceased or family cannot be traced, should the ever increasing pressure on burial space now justify adding new burials. There are also religious consideration to be taken into account. Sikhs use only crematoriums but an increasing Muslim population which requires burials reversed the trend in this country especially since the end of WWII to go for cremations instead of burials. Some boroughs have literally run out of burial space and pay [often at an enhanced rate] to use burial grounds in other boroughs so it becomes a pressing question which the national government will need to address. Burial Rights Owners are approached by the local authority to renew the use of the right of burial after say the 50 or 100 year term which is normally for another 25 year term but in Cornwall the grant is for 10 years again indicating the pressure on burial space.

With the change of government to the present Conservative/Liberal Democrats coalition the new incoming ministers have now reviewed the position. They conclude that with the government's existing commitments and priorities for legislative reform in other areas, there seems little opportunity to modernise burial law in the short to medium term. Ministers have not yet reached a decision on the associated question of whether to take forward proposals to reuse old graves, but the matter remains under consideration. The citizens of this country will hopefully by bringing the topic into the open for discussion alert their MP's that the subject will not go away and perhaps it deserves a higher priority in parliamentary time.

A number of individual local authorities have reported an interest and some London cemeteries are able to reuse under local legislation. City of London Cemetery has started to re use such graves.

Common graves of course remain the property of the council and it has always been the policy to continue to add burials over a period of years until the grave is full.
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Re: Burial rules and practices
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 23 May 13 10:11 BST (UK) »
Hi nycnut

Welcome to Rootschat  ;D

If you know about the plot and are not the registered owner, but know that the registered owner has died and that the lease on the plot has expired, contact the cemetery in question and have your details recorded as a contact, so that if in future they do consider re-using the plot, they can contact you. If the registered owner is still alive but their contact details are not up to date, encourage them to contact the cemetery and let them know.

I have done this with my great-grandparents grave in Hitchin cemetery.

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Re: Burial rules and practices
« Reply #3 on: Thursday 23 May 13 14:34 BST (UK) »
Yes - thank you for your replies.   BUT my question is, if the owner is deceased and I am the closest kin can I use the remaining spaces?  And is this something done routinely?  Thanks Again.


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« Reply #4 on: Thursday 23 May 13 14:41 BST (UK) »
Not if the 'lease' on the plot has expired and you weren't the original owner.

You should make enquiries with the cemetery about the remaining spaces to see what their policy is. You may be able to purchase the remaining spaces and have a new lease.

Cemeteries each have their own rules and regulations, also depends on whether the cemetery is a municipal one ie run by the local authority or whether it is a privately owned one, like Kensal Green in London.

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Re: Burial rules and practices
« Reply #5 on: Thursday 23 May 13 17:43 BST (UK) »
as Dawn says, different cemeteries have different rules, I have recently buried an elderly aunt in a space purchased by her father 80 years ago.  because I was the executor of the estate I had the original deed, an actual paper document, and it is the owner of this deed who has the right to use any remaining spaces, provided the lease has not expired.

So it depends on who has acquired this right by inheritance.

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Re: Burial rules and practices
« Reply #6 on: Thursday 23 May 13 17:49 BST (UK) »
so yes it is still done but you have to prove that you have the ownership of the right, which means checking who was left it in who's will, usually the person who acquired the residue of the estate unless it is specifically mentioned in the will