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Offline Mike in Cumbria

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Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« on: Friday 24 May 13 11:10 BST (UK) »
Hello

I would appreciate any help in tracing this couple (my 3xg grandparents)

John Williams (born Llangollen abt 1806)
Gwen (aka Winifred) born Llanuwchllyn abt 1802

I don’t know where they married, but they started their family in Froncysyllte (Llangollen) then moved to North Shropshire. It appears highly likely that Gwen was born a Jones in Llanuwchllyn.

Their first two children, Jane and Thomas were baptised in the Pontcysyllte Calvinistic Methodist Chapel as follows. This is where I got Gwen’s maiden name from.
Born 12 Sept 1833 Baptised 5 Oct 1833
Jane Williams d/o John Williams (labourer) and Gwen (maiden name Jones). Abode – Vroncysyllte       (father lived Ruabon before marriage)
Same place
Thomas Williams born 14 Sept 1835 bapt 4 October 1835
Parents John Williams (lab) and Gwen (mn Jones) Residence as above


A very helpful person (Gnu) found two baptism records that could possibly relate to Gwen and a brother William (although Jones is such a popular name that it might not be them). If they were non-conformists (as Gwen and John were later), this could well not be them either.
Llanuwchllyn
7 June 1801 Gwen d/o John Jones and Catherine
2 Feb 1795 William s/o John Jones and Catherine of Cynllwyd.

So – what would be useful would be:

A marriage record for John and Gwen, either in Llanuwchllyn, Ruabon or Llangollen, prior to October 1833.
Birth or baptism records for John Williams, in Llangollen
Birth or baptism records for Gwen in Llanuwchllyn

OR      Good tips on where I might find this information

As ever, any help would be gratefully received. Also, thanks again to WRJones and Gnu who helped me get to this point.

Thanks for reading this.
Mike



Previous thread (finding all the above information).  http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,594525.0.html

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Re: Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« Reply #1 on: Friday 24 May 13 11:11 BST (UK) »
For completeness, later census entries for Gwen and John.

1841 census
Vron Lllangollen Cysyyllte   (Froncysyllte)
John Williams 1811 (30) Labourer Born Denbighshire
Gwen Williams 1806 (35) Born Denbighshire (probably a census-taker's mistake)
Jane Williams 1834 (7) Born Denbighshire 
Thomas Willams 1836 (5) Born Denbighshire
Elinor Williams 1838 (3) Born Denbighshire

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1851 census
Hampton Bank, Ellesmere, Shropshire
John Williams 1808 (43) Lime burner, born Llangollen
Gwen Williams 1803 (48) wife, born Llanuwchllen, Merionethshire
Thomas Williams 1836 (15) Ag Lab born Llangollen, Denbighshire
Elinor Williams 1838 (13) scholar born Llangollen
Catharine Williams 1842 (9) born Llangollen
Elizabeth Williams1847 (4) born Ellesmere, Shropshire

1861 census
 Hampton Bank, Lineal, Shropshire
John Williams 1808 (53) Agricultural labourer born Denbighshire
Gwen Williams 1804 (57) wife. Born Merionethshire
Thomas Williams 1836 (25) unmarried Joiner. Born Denbighshire

1871 census
Lineal Etchleys, Lineal
Winifred Williams 1804 (67) Born in Merionethshire

1881 census
Hampton Bank, Ellesmere
Winifred Williams 1801 (80) Labourers Widow. Born Bala, Merionethshire
Amy Williams1872 (9) Grand-daughter Born Wem
Mary E Williams 1865 (16) Grand-daughter. Labourer's daughter Born Wem, Shropshire

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Re: Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« Reply #2 on: Friday 24 May 13 17:19 BST (UK) »
The only John Williams/Gwen Jones marriage I am finding is one given on Family Search to have taken place at Llantisilio Denbighshire on 21.12/1833.

Regards
William Russell Jones.
Jones, Griffiths. Stephens, Parry, Gabriel, Conway, Hughes, Evans, Roberts, Lea, Hanmer. Peake, Edwards. Newnes, Davies. Thomas. "Blythin".
All North Wales.
Conway, Durber, Cartlidge, Lovatt, Bebington. Brindley, Sankey, Brunt. Dean. Clewes. Rhodes. Mountford,Walker,Bache, "Gibbons"Hood. Taylor
All Stoke-on-Trent.
Francis - Nantwich Cheshire.
Dennell - Cheshire/Staffordshire.
Talbot-Shropshire
Census Information Is Crown Copyright,from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

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Re: Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« Reply #3 on: Friday 24 May 13 17:27 BST (UK) »
The only John Williams/Gwen Jones marriage I am finding is one given on Family Search to have taken place at Llantisilio Denbighshire on 21.12/1833.

Regards
William Russell Jones.

Not long after the birth of their first child, and in the right part of the country, so it must be a good possibility.


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Re: Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« Reply #4 on: Friday 24 May 13 18:41 BST (UK) »
It looks like there may be a mis-transcription of the date on Family Search.The original clearly says 31st December 1832.
John Williams of Llangollen and Gwen Jones "of this parish"
Witnesses: Thomas Williams and Jane Jones

Regards
Roger

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Re: Gwen Jones of Llanuwchllyn and John Williams of Llangollen
« Reply #5 on: Friday 24 May 13 18:57 BST (UK) »
It looks like there may be a mis-transcription of the date on Family Search.The original clearly says 31st December 1832.
John Williams of Llangollen and Gwen Jones "of this parish"
Witnesses: Thomas Williams and Jane Jones

Regards
Roger

Ah! Just over nine months before their first child is born. Where did you see the original?

This is looking great. Many thanks

Mike

Edited - OK, I see it now on FindMyPast