Charles Jones

[Neil Todd]

I meant I made a BOO BOO too as I nearly always do. But thats me, you dont make em as often as I do

You must know what chucking an Eddie is, it's been all over the news. It was too early in the morning and stuff.

Neil

[Radcliff]

Do you have apprentice indentures in Australia,was he a tailor,

[Neil Todd]

Don't at this time know if he was a Tailor, what gives you this indication. We certainly had apprenticship indentures. Mine is floating about in a drawer somewhere. Apprentices and Masters were held even more so in the 19th century and have gradually been reduced here in favour of traineeships. Where a Trainee can do a section of Trade before employment and as little as 12mths on the job work.

Neil

[Dundee]

I think Radcliff is asking whether our 19th century apprenticeship indenture books have been kept as they were in England, and unfortunately the answer is 'no'.  A bit of a tragedy really.  The only ones that exist are those specifically for children from the orphan school for the years 1822-33.  They do not exist for all of the children, but where they do, they are indexed along with the Orphan School records. (NRS 798, Indentures of Apprenticeship 1822-33, [4/390] Reel 1484)

This entry from NSW State Records indexes...

JONES, Charles
16 yrs
13/12/1826
Petitioner: DAY, Mary. Parent or guardian requesting child be returned to their custody
NRS 783 [1]; Reel 2776, Page 157-158

...states that Charles JONES has been employed for some time in the capacity of a Tailor.  Mary is asking for him to be assigned to her as she knows a respectable man who is willing to offer him an apprenticeship.

Debra 

[Dundee]

Er, that would be me.    The parents' names are there because the entry is a baptism, not a burial.  You won't find parents' names on pre 1856 burials because there was no such field in the church registers.
Debra 

Neil, that was me, not Sue 

It fits with my earlier Referance to the death of a Charles Jones in 1815.
Neil

It was a BAPTISM for Charles JONES in 1815   

The Charles we are talking about was born c1810 and his mother is Mary.

All of this may be way off track anyway, we need to find what Charles Richard JONES' occupation was.

Debra 

[Dundee]

JONES, Charles
20/06/1828
Petitioner: BOOTH, Joseph. Prospective employer wanting apprentice
NRS 783 [1]; Reel 2776, Page 381-382

The 1828 census shows Charles in the household of Joseph BOOTH, a Tailor

Charles JONES, CF (came free), Ship 'Friendship', 1813.

The 'Friendship' actually arrived in 1818.

Debra 

[Neil Todd]

Struth, I am making mistakes Too much on my plate this week, thats my excuse....

Good find Debra. If Charles Richard Jones had some work as a Tailor then he is our man, if not he's not.

Is that right

Neil

[sparrett]

 we need to find what Charles Richard JONES' occupation was.
Deb

I know from 1856 Groom's occupation was supposed to be listed on the certificate, but I do not know about the earlier Church Records.

Would a transcription of the marriage certificate reveal much?

Reg V1846634 31/ Yr 1846  JONES  CHARLES R
To  TALLENTIRE  MARGARET
CA
   
Reg V1846634 31C/ Yr 1846  JONES  CHARLES R
To TALLENTIRE  MARGARET
CA

It seems to me there are not many ways forward with this at the moment.

Sue

PS Thanks, Deb for clarifying the recent posts for Neil

[majm]

The Early Church Records (the "V" series at NSW BDM) will not usually provide profession or rank for marriages.   HOWEVER,  if the marriage was C of E, then perhaps there's the Family Register to search for....

At RChat's NSW Resources Board there's links to examples of Family Registers held by the C of E Cathedral in Newcastle NSW (Christ Church Cathedral).    These are typical of what C of E clergy records were kept (that way the Rev'd did not have to rely on his memory)

Cheers,  JM