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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #18 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 16:49 BST (UK) »
Hello John,

To forestall the next question, I have already looked - no hits for your Ellington-s in Keys.

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« Reply #19 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 16:54 BST (UK) »
Oh what a nasty thought - only got Peter's birth date from 1841 Census, and when you look, between Henry and Thomas there is a space of five years.

Tell me please someone did they pay the Enumerator in Newcastle Brown, before he did the job, or was the census taken on New Year ( the figures from one census to another don't make sense). That reminds me it is a long time since I went first footing - and what do they do for a lump of coal these days, or can you still pick it off the beach at Easington anyway I would have to dye my hair !!

But (a) that puts Henry .G into the same possible year as Thomas Goodsir (b) was it rife on the ships do you Know.

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John
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Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #20 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 17:09 BST (UK) »
Oh what a nasty thought - ...(b) was it rife on the ships do you Know.

Hello John,

Lots of info in Google books about it - no sense in my typing it out again - but the short answer is "Yes".

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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #21 on: Monday 10 June 13 19:13 BST (UK) »
Hello Ambly

It does appear that  Henry George Ellington jnr and wife Sarah didn't have any children, and left all that work to Lavinia.

Can you I wonder help with this Tillman/Tullick puzzle :

  5th Dec 1840  Arr  Newcastle from Gaspe  with Deal Quebec  ‘Aid’ Tillman
At same time also from Gaspe with timber was 2100 ‘England’s Queen’ Tullick  ( his father-in-law – or Brother-in - Law ?    )
 
All I have on this John Tillman is this :

1861 Census : 37  Union Street Bishopwearmouth Sunderland

Margaret Tillman ( nee Tullick) wife   45      1816  Mariner’s wife  ( married at St Peters  Monkwearmouth 10th May 1834)

John                                                son    25      1836  Surveyor/Architect
Mary.S                                     daughter   17      1841
Louisa                                      daughter   15      1844
Thomas                                             son     9     1852

Mary Tullick                   Mother in Law   76      1785  Mariner’s Widow

( Absent John Tillman was born – Silksworth Row   1810 )
There appeared to have been two other ( now deceased ) children
Matthew b.15th Dec 1839  AND  a 1st Thomas b. 31st May 1842.

Since I have no first name  for Mr Tullick, I am stuck, so don't know if the had a son (who would be about the same age as John Tillman) who was also a Master mariner. However it seems that the two of them ran in tandem.

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John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #22 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 06:37 BST (UK) »
Hi John

TILLMAN:
Master's Certificate of Service #53,622
Issued in Dublin on 4 Apr 1851
John TILLMAN born Sunderland in the county of Durham in the year 1811
Has been employed in the capacities of App Mate & Master 26 years in the British Merchant Service in the Coasting & Foreign Trades.
Signed (John Tillman)

He had applied for this Certificate of Service on 25 March 1851 at Dublin, under the name of John TILLMAN born Sunderland on 6 January 1811, and resident of Sunderland and declared his service as having been on the following ships::
Fenwick 1825-1830
Sharp 1830-1834
Denton 1834 -1835
Lunar 1835 - 1836
Lady Williamson 1836 - 1837
Expedition 1837 - 1838
Aid 1838 - 1845
John Coleman?  1845 - 1851

TULLICK
Master's Certificate of Service #47,677
Issued in Londonderry on 2 Jun 1851
John TULLICK age 38,   born South Shields in the county of Durham in the 17th February 1812.
Has been employed in the capacities of App Mate & Master 18 years in the British Merchant Service in the Foreign & Coasting Trades.
Signed (John Tullick)

He had applied for this Certificate of Service on 27 Sep 1850 at the port of Shields under the name of John TULLICK born South Shields  on  17 Feb 1812, and resident of 58 Green Street, So Shields,  and declared his service as having been on the following ships::
Grace 1835-1837
Englands Queen 1837-1843
Mary Ann Cook 1843-1845
Rhodes 1845-1845
Amarzan 1845-1846
Highlander 1846-1846
Edgar 1846-1848
John & Ann 1848-1849
Chance 1849-1850
Margery 1850 to date

So the TULLICK Master of the England's Queen  (on the ca 1840 voyage you mention from Gaspe) was not TILLMAN's  father-in-law.

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AMBLY


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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #23 on: Tuesday 11 June 13 07:36 BST (UK) »
Perhaps Mr. Tullick the father was a William.

Some possibles turn up in the North East Inheritance database.
http://familyrecords.dur.ac.uk/nei/data/simple.php

Details of probate records found

William TULLICK, ship-owner, of South Shields [South Shields, County Durham].
Date of death: 19 August 1837

Date of probate: 20 September 1837

    administration bond, penal sum £1,600, 20 September 1837 (DPRI/3/1837/A143)

Elizabeth TULLICK, widow, of South Shields in the county of Durham [South Shields, County Durham].
Date of death: 23 January 1841

Date of probate: 24 February 1842

    administration bond, penal sum £1,200, 24 February 1842 (DPRI/3/1842/A26)

William TULLOCK, master mariner, of South Shields in the county of Durham [South Shields, County Durham].
Date of death: May 1842

Date of probate: 28 June 1842

    will, 13 December 1841 (DPRI/1/1842/T11/1-2)
    registered copy of will, 13 December 1841 (DPRI/2/51 p354-355)


Last time I bought from them it was just GBP 5.00 to get a p'copy of a will.

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Westoe

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Re: Tammy married her daughter off - ELLINgTON Family
« Reply #24 on: Wednesday 12 June 13 08:01 BST (UK) »
Hello

And thanks again both of you. So maybe the William who died in 1837 was the husband of Mary Tullick b.1785?  And they had in turn :

William b. ?  but died 1842  - Master Mariner
John b. 1812                    -  Master Mariner
Margaret  b. 1816

Does that make sense ?

Am off on walkabout for a few days

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John
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« Reply #25 on: Thursday 20 June 13 18:15 BST (UK) »
Back again, having been up to see Tall Ships in Rouen, and have now got William Henry Goodsir's death cert, which tells us that he died of Phithusis Pulmonatis ( T.B. ), which according to the Surgeon, he had had for 15 months !!!  Strange thing is death witnessed by informant:

X The mark of Francis Leas 12 present at the death Corstorphine Town Westoe.

 Same day as he left the ship, ( unless the Mate had told the Cabin boy that the Captain was sick and that the cabin boy must take the Captain's belongings and help him to his lodging ? )

On a better note - wrong flag - wrong rig but about correct size for one of Thomas Goodsir's ships,
and it was built for the Baltic run - anyway I have a good imagination!!

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John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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« Reply #26 on: Friday 21 June 13 13:57 BST (UK) »
Hello Westoe ( if you are around )

Please what was an Administration bond - Penal Sum - was it the same as death duties ?

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John
Goodsir.  Ellington. Tillman.  Wilson. AngAs. Capstaff (Northumberland & Durham)
Macaire. Eusebe. Boitel. Beaulieu. Gordon. Tillman. Fear. Wood.
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