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Hi
Found the marriage -eventually at Lambeth St John the evangelist 13.6.1864
George Harris Ingle minor bachelor baker New Cut s of Thomas Harris Ingle painter
Harriet Maria Gardiner minor d of Edward Gardiner general dealer
All made cross with Edward Gardiner and Sarah Ann Gardiner
So it seems the name to look for is Ingle.
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Hi Ciderdrinker   Thank you.
Are you able to send me a link for this info?, as it does not make sense with what I have. Is there a possibility that it reads" Harris, Single Minor Bachelor". And as fas I am aware Georges Father's name is William.
George was definitely a baker and confectioner and continued his trade here in NZ.   :)

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #10 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 02:21 BST (UK) »
1861 - RG 9/336/33/20
3 Gardner Place, Newington
Thos INGLE, head mar 55, Painter & glazier, born Lambeth
Marian INGLE, wife mar 40, Needlewoman, born St Dunstans East
Clara INGLE, dau 11, born Christchurch, Surrey
Arthur INGLE, son 6, born Newington
Edwin INGLE, son 3, born ditto
Henry INGLE, son 7??, born ditto

Mary Ann INGLE is a widow in 1871, with two youngest sons with her in St George the Martyr, Southwark.

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #11 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 02:50 BST (UK) »
Hi all, young Henry looks to have been born Dec qtr 1860 Newington 1d 170, when he marries a Lucy Curran at St Thomas's Bethnal Green, he states his Father is a Thomas George Ingle occ Painter

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #12 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 03:47 BST (UK) »
Hi All
Thanks for everyone's efforts.
Its George Thomas Harris and his forebears and siblings I am looking for. (father William)
It appears MY George was married to a MARGARET MABEL ? (no other info on her)

Maybe the George married to Harriett was an uncle ?? as there is reference to a George Snr and Jnr???

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #13 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 04:18 BST (UK) »
1861 - RG 9/336/33/20
3 Gardner Place, Newington
Thos INGLE, head mar 55, Painter & glazier, born Lambeth
Marian INGLE, wife mar 40, Needlewoman, born St Dunstans East
Clara INGLE, dau 11, born Christchurch, Surrey
Arthur INGLE, son 6, born Newington
Edwin INGLE, son 3, born ditto
Henry INGLE, son 7??, born ditto

Mary Ann INGLE is a widow in 1871, with two youngest sons with her in St George the Martyr, Southwark.

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Hi can you divulge why you believe his wife was a Margaret Mabel possibly, as their was this interesting family in 1851 as a possible match with the one above?

1851 Census

Mary Ann Harris 32 Married occ Needlework b London City
William 9 b St Saviours, Surrey
Sarah 5 b St Saviours, Surrey
GEORGE 2 b Lambeth
Ellen 1 b Christchurch, Surrey
Henry Ingle 45 occ Printer/Visitor b Lambeth
Sarah Thompson 40 Widow/ Visitor b Christchurch, Surrey
George Wiltson 50 occ Printer/Visitor b Ireland
Residing at 17, Hatfield Place, Christchurch, Southwark, Surrey
Census Ref HO107/1557/112/41
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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #14 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 06:09 BST (UK) »
Hi Keyboard86
My Grandfather was FREDERICK ARTHUR HARRIS b1907 Woodville,NZ. His parents were ......
George Thomas Harris b??????      d 27/1/1920 Rona Bay,Wellington,NZ   and
Margaret Mabel ?????
This information is according to NZBDM.  :-\

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #15 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 06:47 BST (UK) »

MARRIAGES.
HARRIS— GARDINER.— On the 13th June,  1864. at Waterloo Church, London, George Thomas Harris, third son of the late William Harris, London, to Harriett Maria, second daughter of the late Edward George Gardiner, London. (Golden wedding).
DRUMMOND— HARRIS.— On the 13th June, 1914, at the Presbyterian Church, Rona Bay,Wellington,NZ Charles Drtunmond to Mabel Winifred, youngest daughter of G. T. Harris, senior.
This notice was in The Evening Post 17th June 1914 the local Wellington newspaper.
Does anyone think this may be the "Ingle" mentioned above????


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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #16 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 08:35 BST (UK) »
I think you might be missing a generation, which is probably where the Snr and Jnr come in

George Thomas HARRIS/INGLE (Snr) 1848-1920 married Harriet GARDINER in 1864. One of their sons George Thomas HARRIS (Jnr) born St Saviour Dec qtr 1871, married Mabel Margaret SMITH in 1890 in NZ, probably Wellington, although on the NZBDM site she is Margaret Mabel with the birth of the children. So George Thomas and Harriet would be your grandfather Frederick Arthur's grandparents, not parents.

About Harris, George Thomas
Evening Post, 14 September 1886, Page 2
The following appear in Lloyd's Weekly, under the heading "Long Lost Relatives" : —
George Thomas Harris left England in 1879, and is believed to have gone to New Zealand as a baker and confectioner. His aged widowed mother will be glad to hear from him.
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Tuapeka Times, 29 April 1896, Page 6
The following intimations as to missing friends are from Lloyd's Weekly' of March 1 and 8 :—
George Harris, when last heard of, seven years ago, was in business as a confectioner in Wellington ; sister A. F. Ingle inquires.
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George came to NZ in early 1879 - His wife and 6 children arrived approx 6 months later on the boat " The Arethusa "
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1892 @ Ebor st, Wellington = Baker

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CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex

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Re: George Thomas Harris b1848 London Occ Baker, confectioner, d1920 NZ Kiwi quest
« Reply #17 on: Tuesday 04 June 13 08:42 BST (UK) »
George and Harriet had in Southwark

Harriet Jane 1866-1929 married George SAKER
George Thomas 1871-?? married Mabel Margaret SMITH
Lucy Mary 1874-1958 married Thomas BRENNAN
Henry James (Harry) 1875-1944
Charles 1877
Sarah 1878

Then these born in NZ
Albert Arthur 1881 Wellington
Martha Matilda 1883 Wellington
Kate Ann Alice 1885 Wellington
William Stevenson 1887 Wellington
Ellen Annie 1889 Wellington
Mabel Winifred 1891 Wellington married Charles DRUMMOND

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Census information Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk

CLAPHAM, PARKINSON, Leeds and London
TOMLIENS, Herefordshire and Southwark
CLARKE, Sussex, Cambridge and Shropshire
FAULCONER, MANNINGTON, RICHARDSON, TICEHURST, BROOK, ELPHICK, FURNER All Sussex
UDY, CLEMENCE/CLEMENTS,WHITE, COITE, COBELDICK, Cornwall
BROOKING, Devon, India
FERNANDEZ, London, Somerset, Herefordshire
RUSH, CARTER, GIBSON, REMINGTON, London and Surrey
CHALKLEY, OLNEY, Hertfordshire
HARRIS, Essex