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Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« on: Thursday 18 July 13 18:39 BST (UK) »
I am looking for baptisms and marriages for -

JAMES HILLS (BORN 1808) in Langford, Bedfordshire
THOMAS HILLS (BORN 1766) in Northill, Bedfordshire
RICHARD HILLS (BORN 1728) in Clapham, Bedfordshire

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 18 July 13 20:05 BST (UK) »
Hi

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THOMAS HILLS (BORN 1766) in Northill, Bedfordshire

There is a baptismal entry on Family Search https://familysearch.org/search


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RICHARD HILLS (BORN 1728) in Clapham, Bedfordshire

Baptism also on Family Search


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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #2 on: Thursday 18 July 13 20:53 BST (UK) »
You'll also find the 1827 marriage of James Hills in Langford on the IGI. There's no baptism of James Hills c 1808 in the Langford transcript.

Whilst Langford and Northill are close, Clapham is the other side of Bedford. Is there any evidence that the three names you mention are linked, or are you flying a kite?

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #3 on: Friday 19 July 13 12:39 BST (UK) »
I thought they were linked, but I am wondering If I might be flying a kite!! But, most of other family searchers have the same information but JAMES HILL (S) father was THOMAS HILL shown in record but why did it go from HILL, to HILLS???


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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #4 on: Friday 19 July 13 12:46 BST (UK) »
Arthur Hill (1877)
Thomas Hills (1838)

then -

James Hills (1808)
Thomas Hill(s) (1766)
Richard Hill(s) (1728)

and so on...

Does this make sense??

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #5 on: Friday 19 July 13 16:56 BST (UK) »
Hi Daniel

I think you need to be satisfied that each generation is correct before moving to the preceding one. That way you know you're researching your family not someone else's!

I'll take a look at the names you mention, but my immediate problem is that for James there's no baptism in Langford, so how do you know who his parents were? And just because someone else has put it on a tree on Ancestry, or whereever, is not evidence!

I'll be back

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 20 July 13 07:50 BST (UK) »
Hi Daniel

I'm assumimg that you're satisfied with Arthur Hills from Wales, that he was the son of Thomas Hills born 1838 Langford, who married Sarah Ray in Langford, and whose father was named as James. Censuses also provide evidence that he was a son of James and Hannah (Cooper) Hills who married in Langford in 1827 (per IGI). You need to check the parish register microfilm at your nearest LDS Family History Centre to see if the witnesses provide any clues.

Then comes the first of your problems. Who were James' parents? There's no baptism in Langford parish register. But there is a family of Thomas and Sarah (Pearson) Hills who married in Langford on 30 Apr 1791 and who baptised a number of children there from 1796 onwards. This was the only Hills family baptising children in Langford at that time, so it's possible, probable even, that  they were James' parents. But that's not proof. They weren't always prompt in baptising their children as William in 1804 was aged three when baptised, so it's possible that they missed James altogether. And there's a big gap until Sarah in 1819 – was she older too when baptised​. And what were Thomas and Sarah doing between 1791 and 1796 when they baptised Edward and Thomas?

Then comes your next problem. Where was Thomas from? The 1791 marriage gives their places of residence as Langford. But there's no Thomas Hills baptism in Langford at the right time. He was 71 on burial in 1838, so if his age burial age is correct, and they're notoriously unreliable, he was born c1766/7, which presumably is how you and others have leapt on Thomas Hill baptised on 3 Aug 1766 at Northill. Northill is close to Langford so it must be a possibility, but it would take more research than appears to have been done thus far before you could turn it into a probability. Did he die as an infant; are there any other marriages which might be him; who's the Thomas and Mary Hill who baptised Thomas in Northill in 1805; what happened to the Hills who lived in Langford in the 1700s; Southill baptist church book makes reference to Hills from Northill – might the family have been non-conformist; are all questions that you would need to address before you could even think about saying that it was Thomas baptised 1766 in Northill who married in Langford.

And until you sort out this problem you shouldn't even consider looking at Richard from Clapham who may have been the Richard who baptised children in Northill.

And you're unlikely to be able to research all of the above for free. Even hiring the microfilm from the LDS will cost you money. But as you've been told before, Bedfordshire is one of the easier counties to research as virtually all baptisms and marriages pre 1813 are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org

I have virtually all Coopers from Henlow, Clifton and Langford in my tree, but I don't have Hannah. Now I'm going to have to look for her!

David
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #7 on: Saturday 20 July 13 09:18 BST (UK) »
Yes you are correct with the first details.

And yes, with the second paragraph your correct again. He was born in 1766 but as I am now saying with the name change...

FamilySearch.Org mentions THOMAS HILL being Wesleyan Methodist in his Baptism.

It does make sense but as the current problem is, I don't know why there isn't a baptism in 1808 for JAMES HILLS unless of course he was baptised years later. As for the switch in the surname, I think that is solve-able as I got some feedback about how that could have happened..

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Re: Lookup - Parish Dates in Bedfordshire
« Reply #8 on: Tuesday 06 August 13 13:49 BST (UK) »
FamilySearch.Org mentions THOMAS HILL being Wesleyan Methodist in his Baptism.

Does it? Where? The parish register transcript, ie the established church, includes the baptism, so he was baptised in the Church of England, not any non-conformist church
Census information is Crown Copyright, from www.nationalarchives.gov.uk
Beds:   Cople: Luke/Spencer
            Everton: Hale
            Henlow: Cooper/Watts/Sabey/Rook
            Potton:  Merrill
            Southill: Faulkner/Litchfield/Sabey/Rook
            Woburn/Husborne Crawley: Surkitt
Hunts:   Gt Gransden: Merrill/Chandler/Medlock
            Toseland: Surkitt/Hedge/Corn         
Cambs: Bourn: Bowd
            Eltisley: Medlock
            Graveley: Ford/Revell