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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #27 on: Saturday 20 July 13 18:30 BST (UK) »
Deaths:

KEMPSTER Ann d. 23 Oct 1895 MEREWETHER #13113    
Father: Robert, Mother: Unknown   

KEMPSTER Thomas d. 18 Mar 1924 MEREWETHER #2801
Father: Thomas (this is incorrect as from his birth & marriage details it's James), Mother: Unknown   

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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #28 on: Saturday 20 July 13 18:36 BST (UK) »
Children to Thomas & Anne:

KEMPSTER Robert James b. 1866 HARTLEY #9375
married 1890 KINLOCH Christina Helen
HAMILTON #4032

KEMPSTER Thomas William b. 1869 HARTLEY #11827
married 1897 CLEAVES Eliza Jane
MEREWETHER #1371   
   
KEMPSTER Elizabeth Gertrude b. 1872 BATHURST #6219
married 1895 HAMMERTON George Addison
MEREWETHER #3417

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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #29 on: Saturday 20 July 13 19:03 BST (UK) »
Birth for Thomas:

KEMPSTER Thomas
Born: 7 Dec 1841
Place: North Bury, Lancashire
Baptised: 27 Mar 1842
Parish: St Mary, St Denys and St George, Manchester
Father's Name: James KEMPSTER
Mother's Name: Mary Ann FOSTER

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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #30 on: Saturday 20 July 13 19:21 BST (UK) »
His parents marriage:

Marriages register 1840, Page 75, Entry 149
1 Nov 1840 St Mary the Virgin, Prestwich, Lancashire
James KEMPSTER - full age, Spinner, Bachelor, Oldham below Town
Mary Ann FOSTER - full age, Spinster, Oldham below Town
Bride's Father: John Foster, Carder
Witnesses: Sarah Ann Ferns; Joseph Bowker
Married by Banns: G. B. Sandford; Curate
   

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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #31 on: Sunday 21 July 13 01:24 BST (UK) »
Thank you for that JM  :) You explain things well, where its easy to understand [for the likes of me  ;D]

But I did not find the marriage, as afterall, Merlin found it in England.... ;D  so, sometimes the reason a marriage is not indexed at NSW BDM is simply because it was elsewhere...

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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #32 on: Sunday 21 July 13 07:45 BST (UK) »
Again. thank you all, there's a lot of info I must digest over the next few days. Muss's suggestion of Sandgate seems probable for 1895, I'll follow up that newspaper hint.  She did not arrive on the Northern Light in 1858 as that Anne Ellis was from Montgomeryshire not Caernarfon.
I am still trying to get my head around Merlin's, Bury,  Lancashire marriage in 1863, it's a good match. Pity I can't find her on the 61 census here in the UK. I just wonder why she went to Lancashire as Wales was "booming in the 1860 with the home grown slate trade with people flooding in even to North Wales. Anne's father was a church sexton & parish clerk, there is significant knowledge about the poet, Awen Llyfni (Robert Ellis),  I doubt she would record that her father was a builder.
judb's suggestion, I will follow up, many thanks for that, probably worth 20 Aus dollars.
Aussie1947's ship the Golden Dream, again possible apart from the very slight discrepancy in her age. (born 1833) but fits nicely with that Lancashire marriage.
Thanks all, fantastic Oz response as before. Sorry about the cricket!!
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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #33 on: Sunday 21 July 13 08:30 BST (UK) »
I wonder ... could groom be Self Acting Winder and his dad an Overlocker...  Bride's dad as a builder makes sense to me ... several of my LANCS forebears were lay Church officials and so also had commercial interests to upkeep their families.

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Further to my reply #17:

Marriage Register 1863, Page 174; Entry 347
7 Feb 1863 St Mary the Virgin, Bury, Lancashire
Thomas KEMPSTER - 21, Self Acting Minder, Bachelor, Limefield
Ann ELLIS - 28, Spinster, Newchurch
Groom's Father: James Kempster, Overlooker
Bride's Father: Robert Ellis, Builder
Witnesses: John Horrocks; S. Bailey
Married by: Frederick Wilson; Curate
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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #34 on: Sunday 21 July 13 10:34 BST (UK) »
Thanks majm
Quite possible a builder as a "jack of all trades" but I would have thought that "Parish Clerk" would have more kudos, but I agree as the parish clerk's job was a grave digger also, it may not have had so much significance then. The photo of the family, excluding Anne from about 1865 showed that they were quite "well to do."
I don't know, one must keep an open mind.
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Re: Kempster, Glebeland Township, Sydney.
« Reply #35 on: Sunday 21 July 13 13:48 BST (UK) »
A Builder is not a jack of all trades.  Surely a Builder could be the 19thC equivalent of the Property Developer ...... funding the growth of suburbs through the building of rows and rows of terraces ..... near to the newly built factories ...

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