David Davies b1816 abt, Troedyraur, Ffostrosal, Cardiganshire

[David Hankey]

There are two baptism records for David Davies at Troedyraur one on 28/04/1816 and the other on 11/08/1816. The early one has the parents listed as Thomas & Mary Davies and the later one Evan & Elizabeth Davies. The question is which one is mine?!!

I understand David married an Anne (no other details known) and they went onto have at least one child, James, b 1862.

David is shown as a Master Shoe maker on 1871 Census at Troedyraur.

Can anyone help, please.

Regards, David

[keyboard86]

Hi is this him in 1861:-

David Davies 44 occ Shoemaker
Anne 35
Mary 9
David 4
All born Troedyraur
Residing at Llwyffyon, Troedyraur
Census Ref RG09/4182/63/9

Looks to be same address as 1871?
Keyboard86

[David Hankey]

Hi, keyboard86,

This could well be him although I don't have any other children other than James who wasn't born until 1862. On the 1871 Census I have David, Anne & James that's all.

If this is the family I guess Mary 10 years on would have either got married or be living in as a domestic elsewhere. I'm sorry I don't have anything else to go on.

Regards, David

[David Hankey]

Just a thought, keyboard86, does it list David as shoemaker on that 1861 Census?

David

[keyboard86]

Hi I thought I had shown his occupation as Shoemaker in 1861?

Previously married perhaps?

1851 Census

David Davies 34 occ Shoemaker
Esther 37
Hannah 11
John 9
Ann 5
Daniel 2
All born Troedyraur
Residing at same address as 1861/71
Census Ref HO107/2482/381/12
1841 Census

Daviid Davies 25 occ Shoemaker
Sara? 20
Hannah 1
Residing at Cwm Caeran, Troedyraur
Census Ref HO107/1377/ 24/34 / 7
Keyboard86

[David Hankey]

Sorry, keyboard86, my mistake.

I thought this might be the family with the 1861 information you found earlier but I'm not convinced now given the 1841 and 1851 details you have found.  I've also had another look at the 1871 Census detail I have and it gives David's age as 53 which would make his birth 1818 and not 1816 although I do know the ages shown on these early Censuses weren't always accurate.

The 1881 Census lists him, Anne & James (no-one else) living at Bwlchyronen, Troedyraur with David shown as Shoemaker Master aged 65 making his birth year 1816!!

I've been looking for the marriage of David & Anne but there are so many listed between 1844, when Anne would have been 18 and 1852 when Mary was born. My guess it would have been registered at Newcastle Emlyn and there is a dozen to pick from.

Davies and the Welsh not an easy combination I know.

David

[keyboard86]

Hi again David, just got back to this one, re age variances, would not take too much notice of a +/- 2 years as ie all searches I and I am sure most of of us carry out is with that sort of age variance.

The David in 1851 bear in mind is at the same address as that in 1861/71, the 1841Census marriage to Sara would appear to be this :-

David Davies Full age occ Shoemaker Father David occ Labourer
Sarah James Full age Father John occ Labourer
5th Sept 1839 Troedyraur
Keyboard86

[David Hankey]

Could it be then that Sarah David's first wife died between 1851 and the 1861 Census and he remarried to an Anne because the 1861 Census clearly states Anne is his wife.

That being the case I've just had a look at the deaths registered in that decade at N. Emlyn and there are a dozen or more!! It doesn't get any easier does it?

Thanks again for your assistance, David

[keyboard86]

  Hi David just bear in mind the Hannah in 1841 could be the 11 year old with David and Esther in 1851?

See if you can locate the baptism of a David father David?

Keyboard86