Turner & Palmer of Stoke

[Old-Bonez]

I am a descendent of the potter John Turner II however I'm researching to find the descendants of his brother, potter William Turner 1762-1835.

Any information which corrects or adds to my (possibly incorrect) information is of great interest to me. I believe that Census info of the area (esp Hanley) will be a gold mine.

Potter William Turner married Elizabeth Wright (her parents were John & Mary) 9 Oct 1799 St Mary, Stafford. They had 6 children.
1) Mary Ann Turner (I have excellent information on her) d. 1878 & Buried Hanley (no children)
2) John Turner b.Aug 1803 Longton (no further info whatsoever)
3) Sarah Turner b. 1806 Longton married William Palmer 1831 Stoke d. 1881 (see below)
4) William Turner b. 1807 Longton (I have more info)
5) Elizabeth Turner b. 1815 (Apparently died young)
6) Harriet Turnerb. 1818 d. 1848 Hanley

I'd like to centralise the search into Sarahs family as I already have leads that census finds could add to. Naturally If you come across the others please post them too

Sarah Turner married the Timber Merchant William Palmer in Stoke 14 Jul 1831. Children were all born in Longton:-
1) John Palmer 1832-1840 (died young)
2) William Turner Palmer 1833-1872 ( possibly married Matha Webb 17 Feb 1856 Sedgley) (Lot A221 Hanley Cemetery)
3) Henry Palmer 1835- (Only have Christening info)
4) Frederick Palmer 1836-1939 (More information below)
5) Martin Charles Palmer 1838-1873 (Lot A221 Hanley Cemetery) Archetict & surveyor together with his brother William.

From here my information gets a little scratchy .... Frederick Palmer married Ellen Mare Johnson 13 Apr 1864 Hartshill. I have found 4 possible children:-
1) William Henry Palmer Christened 30 Apr 1865 Newcastle Under Lyme (possibly not theirs)
2) Emily Palmer 1869- Wellington
3) Mary Anne Palmer 1869- Wellington
4) Adah Sarah Palmer 1871- Wellington

From the book "Turners of Lane End" I know that "Mrs Eric Young of Stonyfields, Newcastle-under-Lyme" who died somewhere about 1960 was the great granddaughter of William Turner. From http://www.thepotteries.org/people/young_ernest.htm I find that she was Elsie Maud Palmer daughter of Col. H Palmer and she married 1912 ...... The puzzle question here is just how does she fit in as her father was "Col. H Palmer" ..... I can only guess that I have missed the birth of a son to Frederick or that I don't have the children of the other 3 sons, William Turner Palmer, Henry Palmer or Martin Charles Palmer.

Any assistance here would be greatfully received, Rob

[Victor Harvey]

Hi,
A William TURNER was buried at St John, Longton, Staffs on 9th July 1835, aged 73.
Victor

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1841
Stock Lane, Hanley

William Palmer 45 cant read occupation, it looks like"super in water works"
William 7
Henry 6
Frederick 4
Martin 3
Harriett Turner 20 ind
+ female servant
All bn in county

No sign of Sarah, presumably rellie Hannah has come in to help with the children.

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1851
HO107 2004 156 49

Edmund Street, Hanley

William Palmer 55 Registrar of births marriages and deaths and manager  bn Hanley
Sarah 44 bn Lougton
William 19  Architect and surveyor bn Shelton
Henry 17 'something' clerk bn Shelton
Frederick 14
Martin Charles 13

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1861
RG9 1932  66 35

2 Last View Street, Hanley

Sarah 53 widow bn Longton
William 27 Architect bn Hanley
Henry 25 Miller bn Hanley
Frederick 24 Engineer bn Hanley
Martin 23 Architect bn Hanley            all boys still single
+ servant

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1871
RG 10 2855 49 36

Church Street Hanley

William 38  single Architect bn Hanley
Sarah 64 mother widow annuitant bn Longton
Henry 36 brother single Timber Merchant bn Hanley
Martin Charles 32 brother Married Architect bn Hanley
William Henry 6 nephew bn NewcastleStaffs

+ servant




Marriage
Oct/Nov/Dec 1865
Stoke on Trent ref 6B 365
Martin Charles Palmer to either Ellen Chivers or Mary Turner

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Marriage
Apr/May/Jun 1864
Stoke on trent ref 6b 246

Frederick Palmer to either Amy Elizabeth Ash or Ellen Mare Thompson

Cant spot Frederick at all in 1871

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Just as an aside before I start on following each of tbe sons1881 onwards

Probate index:
The Will of William Palmer late of East View in the borough of Hanley in the county of Stafford , flint and saw mills propieter, who died 11 May 1860 at East View aforesaid , was proved at Lichfield by the oaths of William Turner architect of Hanley aforesaid and Henry Palmer of the same place, flint grinder, sons and executors
Effects under £300

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Now to start on the boys 1881 onwards

Here is Henry
RG 11 2717 43 32
26 Church Street Hanley
Henry 42  married Timber merchant bn Hanley
Clara 30 wife bn Latenhill?
William Henry 18 nephew writing clerk bn Hanley
+ servant

Interesting. Seems Henry has stayed in the family home, and young William is still there (who I had presumed was Martins child, but may have been one of the other brothers)


Marriage
Jul/Aug/Sep 1880
Burton on trent ref 6b 449
Henry Palmer / Clara Atkin



Martin Charles has died
Death Ap/May/Jun 1873
Stoke on trent ref 6b 99
Martin Charles Palmer aged 35

Here is Frederick
RG 11 2720 26 46
14 Hammersley street, Hanley
Frederick 44 Engine fitter bn Shelton
Ellen M 43 wife bn Shelton
Mary 12
Emily 15
Ada 10
Frederick  O  7   all ages are unclear!