Wolverhampton mystery ... who was George Haycock's mother?!

[TreeDigger]

Hi Sami,

That of course would be very interesting, if we could nail down that George was indeed born a Whitehouse and her son.

This family is shrouded in so many mysteries! Like the story that father John invented a "breech loading device" and was cheated out of the patent for the thing. Seem to have been numerous court cases but I can't find any of them. I did hear from a full cousin of my father that "Grandpa George" remembered "men on horsebacks coming to drag the gun away" (must have been a cannon of sorts).

Anyway, as I said, I have tackled these mysteries numerous times over the years and although some bits and pieces have surfaced there are still many riddles to solve. Good think I like puzzles *grin*

TD

[lizdb]

Another line of thought for me is that Maria is not necessarily his mother's first name. There is the death of an Anne Maria Whitehouse in Wolverhampton registered in the Dec quarter of 1862 (6B 324).

We can add this to the list of possibilities from reply #14


This problem seems to have lots of theories, one or none of which might be the right scenario. And I think we could go round in the same circles for ever.
Without a birth cert, or a marriage cert, it is all just theory.
If money is no object, you could order the death certs of the 3 Maria Whitehouses we have found. Then they can be ruled out - unless one happens to have been registered by a Mr Haycock, or tnhe address matches that on tbe census, or something else that links it in.
But I have tnhe feeling that unless fairly drastic measures like that are taken, then we will just keep coming up with all sorts of vaguely possible theories, but never progress.

I did hope John would have left a will, and then maybe reffered to George in it, but no luck there either!

[TreeDigger]

Hi lizdb,

Well, to be truthful, money unfortunately is a problem    In the sense that I can only afford to order those records which will definitely contribute to building 'The Tree', and then only once in a while.

However, what I can do is try and get in touch with some of the relatives on the Haycock side and see whether they might have obtained new information, or remembered things. It is indeed like running around in cirkels, which I have been doing for a fairly long time now *sigh*

None of the Haycocks seem to have left a will, possibly because their status wasn't very high on the social scale. George was a blacksmith, so was his dad, and his grandfather (if I have found the correct one) was a gardener. And none of them seem to have left any tracks.

I did find a John Haycock from Wolverhampton in the Calendars of Criminals at Quarter Sessions (Staffordshire Names Indexes) in the years 1830, 1835 and 1840 but I'm not sure if this concerns the father, the son John Thomas or even somebody totally unrelated. So ordering a copy there is quite a gamble as well.

I might have to rethink this whole thing or try a different route to get any results. Maybe:

* search for a will left by George's wife Frances (Prince; death reg. Sept 1950)
* search for a will left by George's grandfather John Heycock (reg. June 1858)
* search for a will left by any of the other siblings

George's own death certificate did not state the name of his parents, and his marriage certificate only mentioned his father.

TD

[Ladyhawk]

I did look for a christening on all of the free sites, and on the Wolverhampton parishes site as well. Both for George Haycock and George Whitehouse/Whitehead.
Naturally I might have overlooked something

Is this one of the sites you have looked at ?

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes

didn’t come across a baptisms for George Haycock/Whitehouse/Whitehead  b1863  or Thomas (John)  b1843

From the info.  John & Susan baptized their children at St Mary's Wolverhampton and they married there too - you probably have all the details below but you never know......

Marriage St Mary 28 Jan 1850
John HEYCOCK f/a  Smith Stafford Street  F John Heycock Gardener Susan DICKSON

Sophia HAYCOCK d of John & Susan  17 Nov 1850 Stafford Street Whitesmith

Sophia Haycock Dec 1850 Wolverhampton (FreeBMD)

Alfred HEYCOCK s of John & Susan 25 Jul 1852 Stafford Street Whitesmith

Alfred Haycock Sep 1852 Wolverhampton
Alfred Haycock Sep 1852 Wolverhampton (death) (FreeBMD)

Solomon HEYCOCK s of John & Susan  30 Nov 1853 Falkland Street Blacksmith

Samuel Solomon Haycock Oct 1853 Wolverhampton
Samuel Solomon Haycock Dec 1853 Wolverhampton (death) (FreeBMD)

Frederick HAYCOCK s of John & Susan  5 Aug 1857 Falkland Street Blacksmith
Frederick HAYCOCKS Sep 1857 Wolverhampton FreeBMD)

Joseph HAYCOCK s of John & Susan  26 Dec 1858 Falkland Street Blacksmith
(FreeBMD has a birth entry Dec 1855 Wolverhampton Joseph Haycock  perhaps he as baptized at a later date) 

This looks to be the marriage of son Joseph although his year of birth differs from baptism date

St Mary Wolverhampton 24 May 1874
Joseph HAYCOCK 21 bach. Blacksmith North Road John Haycock Blacksmith Fanny WALTON

1881c Joseph & Fanny HAYCOCK living 100 North Street, occ Blacksmith with children

for info. here's one of  John & Emily's children baptized St John’s Wolverhampton

Susan Florence HAYCOCKS dau.of John & Emma 13 Apr 1868 Drayton Street Blacksmith
Susan Florence Haycock Mar 1868 Wolverhampton (FreeBMD)

If your George’s birth was registered is it possible his pob is not Wolverhampton and he was born elsewhere in Staffordshire or maybe some else 

[TreeDigger]

Hi Ladyhawk   

Is this one of the sites you have looked at ?

http://www.wolverhamptonhistory.org.uk/resources/indexes

Indeed it is.

didn’t come across a baptisms for George Haycock/Whitehouse/Whitehead  b1863  or Thomas (John)  b1843

I didn't find anything for George either, but I found John via FreeReg, baptism 05 March 1843 under the name of Dixon as well as 2 other siblings - besides the ones that you mentioned and I found as well - named Edwin (Dixon) on 30 May 1851 and Mary (Dixon) on 14 June 1847. Edwin and Mary died, as did Alfred and Samuel Solomon. The last child of this union was stillborn in 1860 and presumably caused the death of Susan Dixon as well in February 1860.

From the info.  John & Susan baptized their children at St Mary's Wolverhampton and they married there too - you probably have all the details below but you never know......

Thank you for the effort but yes, I already had this information 

Joseph HAYCOCK s of John & Susan  26 Dec 1858 Falkland Street Blacksmith
(FreeBMD has a birth entry Dec 1855 Wolverhampton Joseph Haycock  perhaps he was baptized at a later date) 

I agree with the later baptism as indeed his age when marrying was 21. Unless they lied, of course 

If your George’s birth was registered is it possible his pob is not Wolverhampton and he was born elsewhere in Staffordshire or maybe some else 

That would of course be a valid hypothesis, if it wasn't for the fact that he states in every official paper that his pob is Wolverhampton    And then I would have to start searching for father John traveling out of the city to ... where?!

I have tried a long shot and sent an email to a distant relative, begging for more information. Not sure if they'll respond but I do hope for some positive reaction. Who knows ...

TD

[Willow 4873]

I didn't find anything for George either, but I found John via FreeReg, baptism 05 March 1843 under the name of Dixon as well as 2 other siblings - besides the ones that you mentioned and I found as well - named Edwin (Dixon) on 30 May 1851 and Mary (Dixon) on 14 June 1847. Edwin and Mary died, as did Alfred and Samuel Solomon. The last child of this union was stillborn in 1860 and presumably caused the death of Susan Dixon as well in February 1860.

Susannah buried 26.2.1860 Merridale Cemetery cuase of death given as 'Mortification of the throat'

Willow x

[TreeDigger]

Well Hi There, Willow 

Dancing along again, I see. Thank you so much 

[Willow 4873]

Still here 

As he gives his date of birth as 24.12.1862 I decided to check all the Georges born dec 1862/mar 1863 Wolverhampton birth registrations against FreeREG to see if I could match a baptism (I didnt find any with mothers called Maria). So far the only one I havent found (ignoring the ones with middle names please feel free to see if you can find any of them)

1862
George Harper
George Probert
George Stevenson
George Stokes
George Venables
George Wilkes

1863
George Bott
George Hardwick
George Hewitt
George Lavender
George Lesson
George Mason
George Monger
George Mease
George Monk
George Neal
George Platt
George Sankey
George Tiley
George Vaughan
George Wedge
George White
George Whittingham

And I get to the bottom of the list and there is a George Whitehouse! my granddad was born the 19th of December but wasnt registered until the January of the next year. If its going to be anyone its this one

Willow x

[TreeDigger]

That's a lot of effort!
And to start with that last - hopeful! - entry ...

1891 census - George Whitehouse, 29, cycle fitter, living with family at 62 Oxford St. W'hampton.

Not him    Even though the professions of both father (blacksmith) and sons (cycle fitters) correspond to thoseof the Haycocks.