Elizabeth from DEAN

[AlexStewart]

On the Rushden heritage site they have a link to the Old Baptist Church book where it lists the members, on page 273 Elizabeth Burgess joined 26/06/1808 and died  11/02/1844, buried 12/02/1844.

In the Dean PRs I found at the Hunts Archives today there's burial of Eliz wife of William Burges on 4 Aug 1797
 
John   

   Thank you, John
I  will have another look at the Rushden Research site and the area you suggested.
The 1808 date is interesting and may well fit, but the 1797 and 1844 are puzzling.
I now have Elizabeth Burgess, senior, as 1779-1833. Elizabeth, the daughter, lived until 1863.
Alex

[bedfordshire boy]

I now have Elizabeth Burgess, senior, as 1779-1833

I don't follow this.

As I see it, in the light of John's findings, the position may look something like this

William Burgess c1768 – 1824    m    i)   1790  Elizabeth White c1770-1797
                                                             ii) 1797-1804 Elizabeth (–?--)  b1881-6 - 1844

Children
Hannah c1792 m Packwood
Thomas c1796
Ann bef 1800 m White
John c1804
William c1805
Elizabeth c1808 – 1863 m Bayes

Children assumed to all be from father William, from censuses, and marriages in Dean from IGI

I can't see a second marriage for William, but a look up request in Northants Marriage Index might be fruitful.

Where's Elizabeth in 1841?

David

[johnP-bedford]

Where's Elizabeth in 1841?

Ancestry has her mistranscribed as Bettger - the Rushden Heritage site had her correct

Elizabeth Burgis age 55 Lacemaker, in Little Street Rushden 

[johnP-bedford]

What's significance of Ann Colson age 80 living with John & Elizabeth Bayes in 1841

A William Burgess, widower of Dean, married Ruth Colson in Rushden on 29 June 1802

[bedfordshire boy]

Do stop asking awkward questions which mess up my preconceived ideas!

Is there a death/burial of a Ruth Burgess c 1807?

I'm beginning to go round in circles, so it's time to go to the market. Stage is down by the way

David

[bedfordshire boy]

Sometimes I forget an obvious source. A Muster List was taken in early August 1803 covering all men aged 17 to 55. That for Dean includes:
Wm. Burges, taylor, 2 children under 10, class 3
John Burges, taylor, class 1

Class 1 included men between 17 and 30, unmarried, no children living under 10.
Class 3 covered men between 17 and 30, married, OR having 2 children under 10

In my reply #11 below I was clearly wrong in applying 3 children to William before 1800 - one of the three couldn't have been his. And his age seems to have been younger than his burial age implies.

Non-conformists can be very frustrating!

David

[johnP-bedford]

While I've not found burial of Ruth Burgess the Dean PR baptisms show on 26 Nov 1826 Mary daughter of William & Ruth Burgess, of Upper Dean, Taylor age 17 years. This was on same day as baptism of Ann daughter of Thomas & Hannah Packwood of Upper Dean.
 There is also baptism on 26 June 1831 of William son of William & Ruth Burgess of Upper Dean, Taylor, age 26. This is on same day as baptism of Mary Ann daughter of William & Martha Burgess of upper Dean, Taylor

[AlexStewart]

Thank you to John and David for those replies.
So if William Burgess married Elizabeth White in Yelden in 1790 and Ruth
Colson in Rushden in 1802, that means that Ruth was the mother of Elizabeth who
married John Bayes. That also explains why Ann Colson was living with the Burgess
family at the age of 80 in Rushden.
Thanks again
Alex

[johnP-bedford]

Alex; So what is the relationship of Ann Colson to Ruth Colson ? You say that explains it, so what info do you have?