Cant find my GG Grandfathers Birth cert. GRO refunded my order too. St Dogmaels

[meaty]

Hi all.

Just attempted to purchase my GG grandfathers Birth cert and after a couple weeks I have now been refunded.

His name was David Morgan, and his birthplace was St Dogmaels (which is just over the river in Pembrokeshire) but still registered as being in Cardigan, I believe.

His father was John Morgan, Shoemaker and his mother was Maria(h) (I do not know her maiden name).

Everything else regarding this family is plain sailing, but I cannot get the birth certificate to find his mother maiden name.

Thanks everyone.

[meaty]

oops forgot the date... he was 11 in 1871 census, so I guess born in 1860. I do not have the 1861 census either.

[Tree Tective]

John and Mariah appear as married on the 1851 census in St Dogmaels

HO107/2481/382 p 3

John Morgan    27
Maria Morgan    27
Elizabeth Morgan    3
John Morgan    1
   
So you need to look for a possible marriage pre 1848 if they married before the first born

There's a marriage of Maria Griffiths in 1843 in Pembroke
                               Maria Rees in 1845 in Cardigan
                               Maria Jones in 1845 in Cardigan
A John Morgan appears as a possible husband on all three records

[Tree Tective]

Another suggestion, on the 1871 census David has a younger brother born c1865 in Cardigan.

Can only find these births
Births Jun 1865
Morgan    Benjamin         Cardigan    11b   2   
Morgan    Benjamin         Cardigan    11b   5   
MORGAN    Benjamin         Cardigan    11b   5

Why not contact Cardigan register office and ask them to check those three records for parents of John and Maria, you will then find mum's maiden name that way

[Tree Tective]

I can confirm I have the right family in 1851 as there is a tree online listing children of John and Maria

Elizabeth Morgan 1848 –
John Morgan 1850 –
Mary Morgan 1855 –
William Morgan 1858 –
David Morgan 1859 –
James Morgan 1863 –
Benjamin Morgan 1865 – 

[BumbleB]

Assuming I've found the same "Ancestry" tree referred to by Tree Tective - I, personally, would NOT put any great faith in the information contained in it.  There are no birth or baptism dates given, and therefore I can only assume that this family is based on the 1851 and 1871 census returns and the information then inserted into the tree for whatever reason, as I can't see much forward evidence.

My advice would be to look for baptismal records for St Dogmaels, and as Mariah is said to originate from St Dogmaels, perhaps the marriage records as well.

[Tree Tective]

St. Dogmells / St. Dogmaels came under Cardigan Register Office area, and two of the marriages (both 1845) I quoted were registered in Cardigan if they married in St. Dogmaels, as they were both born c1824 making them 21 tying the knot.

You can now kill two birds with one query to Cardigan Register Office

1. Verify Benjamin's birth in 1865 for parents
2. Check out both 1845 marriages and see if they match up

[meaty]

Hi and thanks for your replies!

I think these 2 are most likely for John:

 Maria Rees in 1845 in Cardigan
 Maria Jones in 1845 in Cardigan

Thanks for your suggestions of contacting the local register office. I have not done that before as I have only ordered from GRO online. Do I just write a plain letter asking if they can do a couple of searches for me?

Nice thinking re: searching for a sibling! I will do just as you say, and will post the results up on here.

Thanks very much!

[dawnsh]

Hi meaty

fees and contact details for the register office are here

http://www.ceredigion.gov.uk/index.cfm?articleid=11825

looks like they charge for searching as well as supplying certs.

Going back to your opening post, what did you order from the gro for them to have rejected your application? ?If you used the gro reference and entered the name exactly as it appears in the index, they should have sent the cert.

What exact reason did they give?

Remember that even though civil registration started in 1837, it wasn't compulsory to register births until 1875, so there may not be a cert to find.

Dawn