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Mary Quinn & John Austin
« on: Tuesday 03 September 13 15:19 BST (UK) »
Looking for:

(1) Marriage information for Mary Quinn (b. abt 1841, Amargh) and John Austin (b. abt 1840, Down, Ire) - based on census information (1881 UK Census) - appears married about 1863-1864 (first child's age).

(2) John Austin's parent's information.

I've tried Familysearch and IrishGenealogy.ie, but cannot find the information.

Thank you!


Thank you!!

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 10:19 BST (UK) »
The 1881 census return shows the family had Scottish connections
as the eldest son was born there

They are on the 1871 census in Lanarkshire
and the 1891 & 1901 census in Paisley

The couple may have married in Scotland and many of their records are not available online freely
The site http://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/ may be of help
on a free search there is one matches for a marriage of John Austin in 1864
however there is no Mary Quinn match
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Mulrenan; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 10:26 BST (UK) »
Scottish birth certificates record the date and place that the parents married (save for 1856 - 1860). So I would get a copy of the eldest child's birth certificate from Scotlandspeople and see what that says about where they married.

If the marriage was RC, then RC marriages prior to 1.1.1864 aren't listed in the Irish statutory records, and that may be why it is not showing up on familysearch etc. However the Scottish birth certificate may solve the problem.
Elwyn


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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 10:33 BST (UK) »
May be a complete red herring (I haven't looked at the census details) but there are 2 births in Tandragee district for children of a John Austin & Mary Quinn-
John (1867) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FR9P-23F
Cecilia (1869) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FPYW-42Y

Also some Scottish births-
Patrick (1863) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ5T-DQT
Ann (1872) https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQZK-H7C

It's possible these are not all from the same family so best to keep an open mind for the moment.

Added- 1891 has daughter Cecilia born Ireland c1870, son John and daughter Annie that looks like a match for the above details. 1881 census includes son Patrick born Scotland. So, looks like those 4 children could all belong to your family.

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 11:44 BST (UK) »
Those records look correct against what I looked up and thought to be John AUSTIN & Mary QUINN
Children born between 1863 and 1883 include:
Patrick b. Glasgow
John b. Armagh
Cecily/Cecilia b. Armagh
Hugh b. Scotland
Ann b. Scotland
Mary Ellen b. Auckland Pk. Durham
Alice Jane b. Chilton, Durham
Thomas Henry b. Chilton, Durham
William F. b. Chilton, Durham
Elizabeth b. England

Link to 1881 Census return
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Mulrenan; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 13:40 BST (UK) »
Thank you for the info.

Any indication of John's parentage?  I have Mary's next generation, but cannot find his.
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Bernie MacArthur

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 13:42 BST (UK) »
Scottish birth certificates record the date and place that the parents married (save for 1856 - 1860). So I would get a copy of the eldest child's birth certificate from Scotlandspeople and see what that says about where they married.

I would suggest you take Elwyn Soutter's advice and apply for Patrick's birth certificate from Scotland; if this shows the place and date of marriage you would then be able to locate that to get at least John's father's name


Editted to add:
You could also look for Hugh and Ann's birth certificates as a double check or in case one has more information than another
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Mulrenan; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 14:06 BST (UK) »
Need help reading their marriage information.

Thanks for the reply to last message, it helped.
Thank you!!

Bernie MacArthur

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Re: Mary Quinn & John Austin
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 04 September 13 14:47 BST (UK) »
I read the marraige reference as
1862 May 16; Parr of Kil???
Co. Armagh, Ireland

At a guess it could be KILLEVY
This is a Link to the Griffiths Valuations for that area which includes Quinn families; you may be able to match to what you know on Mary as most couples married in the bride's parish


I am not very familiar with Armagh and open to suggestions

editted to include
There is a marraige record in 1862 on rootsireland.ie in Armagh
John Austin to Mary Quinn in KILMORE Roman Catholic Parish

By purchasing the record you may gain more information but it will depend on how much was recorded.
Kearney & Bourke/ Johns & Fox/ Mannion & Finan/ Donohoe & Curley
Byrne [Carthy], Keeffe/ Germaine, Butler/ McDermott, Giblin/ Lally, Dolan
Toole, Doran; Dowling, Grogan/ Reilly, Burke; Warren, Kidd [Lawless]/ Smith, Mulrenan; Mangan, Rodgers/ Fahy, Calday; Staunton, Miller
Further generations:
Brophy Coleman Eathorn(e) Fahy Fitzpatrick Geraghty Haverty Keane Keogh Nowlan Rowe Walder