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« on: Saturday 07 September 13 03:24 BST (UK) »
Hi there,

Over many decades I have collected several scrapbooks and notebooks full of various articles from newspapers and other sources re NSW historical matters relevant to family history. 

I am currently exchanging PMs with quite a number of RChatters, and I seem to be re-hashing the info to each RChatter.   Of course, each is asking fine questions, and I am happy to offer my views. 
So, I am going to start this thread and ask for others to continue it with their bits and pieces too.

Perhaps in that way I can more easily share some of the info I have at hand.

I will add to it too,  for I have lots of info.   

I have 24 hours to change the title, so if you think it should cover more than just the commencement of civil registrations, PM me ASAP  ;D  PLEASE.   

Cheers,  JM
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« Reply #1 on: Saturday 07 September 13 03:25 BST (UK) »
Enjoy  :)

NSW Marriage Act 1855, (No. 30a)
http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/nsw/num_act/ma1855n30112/

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115559155    SMH 1 March 1856

NSW BDM civil registrations commenced 1 March 1856

Names, locations, denominations of the Officiating Clergymen
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12983545   SMH 3 March 1856

 
Names and locations of the District Registrars
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12983545   SMH 3 March 1856


Administrative matters
 :)    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28639068-
SMH 13 Feb 1856 (Officiating clergy need to be registered by the NSW Registrar General in Sydney)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12980317       SMH 29 March 1856 (more officiating ministers names)

 :)      http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12980625
SMH 15 Feb 1856 The short version of the requirements for Civil Registrations of BDNs …. “furnish books for the registry of births, marriages, deaths and forms for certified copies…..  The District Registrars are to transmit their copyies quarterly to the office of the Registrar General…… Parent required to register the birth of a child within sixty days,  housekeepers to give notice of  the death of any person on their premises within thirty days …”Children may be registered upon solemn declaration of their parentage until they are eighteen months old, if not born in the colony”   Ministers of religion are to receive certificates of the registration of deaths when they attend funerals.  ….

 :)    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/115559155    SMH 1 March 1856 (change of address for clergymen)


 :)    http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12977223   SMH 21 Feb 1856
 ;D Opening Hours for Reg-Gen (every day except Sundays and holidays as from 1 March 1856)   
Registrations “free of charge”
 ;D Deaths to be registered BEFORE the funeral takes place …… “provided that no entry of the register of any death shall be received as evidence of the fact of such death, unless there shall also be an entry of the register of the burial”…   (And of course, this leads to the cause/ e origins of the lack of death registrations after rural districts coroner's inquests .... burial occuring ... for health reasons ...  before the inquest reached a conclusion, so no one knew who was formally responsible for registering the death via the District Registrar who afterall was a part timer attached to the local Court House/Sheriff's office)
 ;D  ;D “As every inhabitant of the colony may at some time or other be interested in knowing the precise time of some birth or death, and as a complete system of registration will prevent much litigation infuture years, and otherwise protect individual rights of property; besides throwing light on many social questions as to duration of life, to the increase of statistical science and the general advantage of the inhabitants of New South Wales; it is of the utmost importance that they should be well acquainted with the nature and provisions of the Act of Legislative Council, 19 Vict., No. 34, under which the new Registration system has been formed……”

 ;D  http://investigator.records.nsw.gov.au/Entity.aspx?Path=%5CAgency%5C24 

 ;D  http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-2/short-guide-2 
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-4/short-guide-4

 ;D  http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12984686  SMH 11 July 1856 The address of the Governor General (yes that was his title) re the Admin aspects of the newly constituted RESPONSIBLE GOVERNMENT, as an aside, notice there’s the suggestion as to increasing the salary of the Registrar General.   

Cheers,  JM
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« Reply #2 on: Sunday 08 September 13 03:49 BST (UK) »
Several PM requests :

This post addresses some 1850s Emigration resources

 :) :)  NSW circa mid 1850s, Passenger lists

I think it is best to start with the free to search online website provided by the NSW State Records Office,  ;D
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-online   (I use the keyword search, just the family surname and once I have located the possible family/ies I note the name of the ship and the year etc) 
Then with the name of the ship I scroll down through the list at this link, and find the images of the passenger list. 
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/nrs-lists/nrs-5316
Another very good website, again free to search :
http://mariners.records.nsw.gov.au/ (this site includes crew members and not just passengers)

BUT THE VERY VERY VERY BEST PLACE TO FIND GOOD LINKS :

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=369703.0

 :) "What information was available BEFORE they Emigrated"

1855 Colonization Circular issued by HM’s Colonial Land and Emigration Commissioners  April 1855 (covers lots of details for various destinations, including Australia)

http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18550400/00000015/1-8.pdf    pages 1 to 8 See page 1 for each of the sub- headings (Headings include Emigration; Demand for Labour; Prices; Wages; Crown Lands; Hints to Emigrants to Australia)
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18550400/00000015/9-16.pdf  pages 9 to 16
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18550400/00000015/17-24.pdf    pages 17 to 24
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18550400/00000015/25-32.pdf  pages 25-32
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18550400/00000015/33-36.pdf  pages 33 - 36


1856 Colonial Circular
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/1-8.pdf
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/9-16.pdf
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/17-24.pdf
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/25-32.pdf
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/33-40.pdf
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferguson/14614278/18560400/00000016/41-48.pdf


The Colonial Circular is freely available online for each of the following years
 :  1843, 1844, 1845, 1846, 1847, 1848, 1849, 1850, 1851, 1852, 1853, 1854, 1855, 1856, 1857, 1858, 1859
http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/issn/14614278.html 

The link : http://www.nla.gov.au/ferg/

Cheers,  JM




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Re: NSW circa 1856 (civil BDMs start) PLEASE consider adding more live links
« Reply #3 on: Sunday 08 September 13 08:12 BST (UK) »
HI

Daughter and granddaughter moved out today, I have found my family history stuff ( for want of a better word)  in the pile of books is a little book " Pocket Guide to Civil Registration printed 1995"
Australia, England and Wales, Scotland, Ireland, Papua  and New Guinea, and New Zealand.

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« Reply #4 on: Sunday 08 September 13 09:13 BST (UK) »
Agh, Muss, was that the one published in Queensland …. I lent mine to one of my younger set several years ago, they probably have lost it during several moves themselves.   From memory, It was very informative maybe 48 pages or thereabouts.    About the size of Lysaghts Referee  (more about that resource in a future post)

Some further links to do with NSW and where to find BDM records


This NSW State Records Office link is brilliant; it is headed “Births, deaths, marriages” BUT it actually addresses much more ! 
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/research-topics/births-deaths-and-marriages

For example,

 :) Under the heading Births and Baptisms is the link to their Naturalization Index (1834-1903) which you can search by name or country.   Those forms include the applicant’s BIRTH details

 :) Under the heading Inquests  there’s details about what can be found in the Inquest Papers (1851-1963) There’s witness statements (including their name, then address, etc) the names of members of the jury, records of personal items found on the deceased, cause/s of death, and the like.  I note though that these files can be distressing to read, so please if you are researching these, go to the Archives with a friend and share the reading together, I find it easier to keep a stiff lip when with someone I know.  Most of the files I accessed in that section were from the 1910s and 1920s, so I was reading my ancestors files for my parents generation … their cousins, siblings, aunties, uncles.   Medical Science has truly advanced since that era, yet I have living relatives born in that era who can remember the fears of their parents if the word went around “diphtheria” or “Measles” or “Scarlet Fever” 

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-4

 :) Under the heading Deaths, there’s the links to the indexes regarding the administration of the affairs of the deceased ….. so there’s the links to the Archives in Brief re the NSW Supreme Court’s Probate Packets

  (http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-84
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-29
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-53

 :)  :) I find these to be one of the greatest paper trail treasures that NSW Archives hold, from a family history perspective.   These packets can include the evidence produced to the Supreme Court to prove or to disprove a person’s claim to benefit from a deceased estate…. So there can be BDM certificates, family tree charts, witness statements (for example :
I am the son/daughter/niece/nephew/cousin of …… “Joe Blow” who was the son of “Josie Blowette” who was born at …… on ……. and who came to NS Wales on the ship …….. in the year …….. together with her parents and her uncles and her brothers and sisters and settled in …….”  Of course, they contain the proven will (or the details of the administration if no will proven)

They can also contain the details of the estate,  lists of the real property, and who it is to be given to, or otherwise disposed of (for example ‘to be sold at auction’ or ‘for my wife’s exclusive use during her life’ or ‘for my nephew to do with as he chooses’)  The monetary value of the estate in £ s d (the currency used before dollars and cents, ie the pounds, shillings and pence) and the Duty applicable and payable to the NSW Government (“Death Duties” were abolished in the 1970s after initially being introduced in the 1850s in NSW )

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/files/AIB119.pdf
This is a two page flow chart diagram re “How to find Probate and Deceased Estates at NSW SRO 


Cheers,  JM
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« Reply #5 on: Monday 09 September 13 06:58 BST (UK) »
NSW circa 1856   VOTING

To vote in the elections for NSW Parliament, you were eligible  if you were Male, aged 21 and over, a British Subject  and living at the same address for at least six months, , provided you earned at least £100 pa as a salary or paid £40 pa for board and lodging or £10 for lodging only, or had a licence to depasture lands within a particular electorate. (depasture basically means to put your livestock onto grazing lands so that the pastures growing there are consumed by the livestock; depasture licences were £10 in 1856) .   

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-5 

http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/indexes-online/indexes-to-land-records/index-to-depasturing-licences-1837-46-1851

Historic NSW Electoral Rolls : (I think the NSW State Library’s holdings are ‘better’ than NSW SRO’s )
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-1/short-guide-1

NSW SRO “flow chart” thingy re Electoral Roll holdings :
http://www.sl.nsw.gov.au/services/family_history/docs/electoral_rolls_1011.pdf


City of Sydney Assessment Books (including Tenants as well as landlords/owners) online transcriptions, keyword searchable….  (These can of course include the names of women) 
http://www.cityofsydney.nsw.gov.au/learn/history/archives/catalogues-and-search-tools

http://photosau.com.au/CosRates/scripts/home.asp
Map for the Wards circa 1857 included there (Gipps, Bourke, Cook, Macquarie, Brisbane, Philip)

http://photosau.com.au/CosMaps/scripts/home.asp  (Trig Survey of Sydney 1855-1865)


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« Reply #6 on: Monday 09 September 13 08:18 BST (UK) »
New South Wales CENSUS 1856

1856 - the year that Responsible Government commenced in NSW


There was a Census taken in NSW for the night of 29th February 1856 (a leap year) and ONLY the stats survive, NO originals, no householder details, no names at all.


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12981313    SMH 27 Feb 1856
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12976280   SMH 29 Feb 1856 (The Admin directions !)

http://guides.slv.vic.gov.au/content.php?pid=81642&sid=605796  “In 1882, a fire destroyed the New South Wales census records for 1846, 1851, 1856, 1861, 1871 and 1881, including the detailed household forms from 1861, 1871 and 1881” .

 

Statistics from the 1856 Census

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12990263   Article I SMH 19 Dec 1856
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12990592  Article II SMH 27 Dec 1856 Density 
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28636558  Article III SMH 1 Jan 1857 Age and Sex
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12991327 Article IV SMH 15 Jan 1857 Birth places (Australasia, England and Wales, Scotland, Ireland, British America, Other British Dominions, United States, France, Germany, China, Other Foreign Countries)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12991734 Article V SMH 27 Jan 1857 Religion
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12992871 Article VI SMH 5 Mar 1857 Education
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28637219 Article VII SMH 18 Mar 1857 Education in relation to Religion
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12993534 Article VII SMH 30 Mar 1857 The Children/Churches
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12994643  Article IX SMH 24 April 1857 Settled and Squatting Districts
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12995382  Article X SMH 12 May 1857 Squatting Districts
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12995740 Article XI SMH 18 May 1857 The Counties
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12996319 Article XII SMH 2 Jun 1857 Cumberland
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12997035 Article XIII SMH 15 Jun 1857 Cumberland
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12997429 Article XIV SMH 22 Jun 1857 The Towns (Albury, Armidale, Bathurst, Bombala, Braidwood, Brisbane, Camden, Campbelltown, Carcoar, Dungog, Goulburn, Grafton, Hinton, Ipswich, Kelso, Kiama, Liverpool, Port Macquarie, Maitland, Maryborough, Morpeth, Mudgee, Muswellbrook, Newcastle, Parramatta, Paterson, Penrith, Queanbeyan, Raymond Terrace, Richmond, Singleton, Sofala, Stroud, Tamworth, Wagga Wagga, Warwick, Windsor, Wollongong, Yass).
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28632097 Article XV  SMH 29 June 1857 Sydney (1)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12998163 Article XVI SMH 16 July 1857  Sydney (2)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12998850 Article XVII SMH 3 Aug 1857 Sydney (3)
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/12999545 Article XVIII SMH 18 Aug 1857 (Sydney 4)


http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/28632877 Statistics summary SMH 10 Sept 1857
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13002018 Stats No. 1 SMH 24 Oct 1857
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/13002762 Stats of NSW SMH 10 Nov 1857


Cheers,  JM
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Electoral Rolls. 
NOT everything is online  :) but here's some online guides that may help.     

NSW State Records
 http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/short-guide-1/short-guide-1   (Short Guide 1 – Electoral Rolls)
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/state-archives/guides-and-finding-aids/archives-in-brief/archives-in-brief-5 (Electoral Rolls)    …..noting that this brief lists the State Library of NSW family history Section as holding State Electoral rolls and that the Ward Library at UWS has a copy of the NSW ERs 1903-28.
....... 

 http://www2.sl.nsw.gov.au/eresources/browse.cfm?subjects=6274

http://www.nla.gov.au/research-guides/electoral-rolls/new-south-wales

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