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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #9 on: Friday 17 January 14 11:10 GMT (UK) »
Hi Malcolm,

Looked for the Marion Forsyth 21, that you mentioned, and she is spouse of a William Forsyth 24 yo, who is a brewers servant. So maybe the wrong one.

Tom

Hi Tom. This looks like this could be the right one. On William's marriage cert he lists his father (William) as a brewer.

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #10 on: Friday 17 January 14 11:22 GMT (UK) »
Hi Allan,

Thanks for that, just that Malcolm had mentioned a baker, on one of his posts. There were a few Forsyths in Edinburgh at that time.Was he a brewer or did he work for a brewer?

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #11 on: Friday 17 January 14 19:37 GMT (UK) »
Hi Allan,

Thanks for that, just that Malcolm had mentioned a baker, on one of his posts. There were a few Forsyths in Edinburgh at that time.Was he a brewer or did he work for a brewer?

Tom
Hi Tom.

Sorry, the only info I have is from the BDM's record of William's marriage in Christchurch in 1886 (age 26) which shows his birthplace as Scotland, his occupation at that time as baker and that of his father (William) as brewer. It also records his mothers maiden name as Grant.

I know it's slim info to go on. I don't even have info on what ship he arrived on in NZ, whether he traveled with family or alone, or if he had other relatives out here or others joined him later.

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #12 on: Friday 17 January 14 19:38 GMT (UK) »
Hi Malcolm,

Looked for the Marion Forsyth 21, that you mentioned, and she is spouse of a William Forsyth 24 yo, who is a brewers servant. So maybe the wrong one.
Tom

Hi Tom, would you have the address for this one?   I have found the three of them in Family Search at Canongate district but those entries don't tell us very much more.  Unfortunately FreeCen only appear to have 1841 and 1851 for Edinburgh.    Thanks so much for putting me right with the two William Forsyth's both with one year old William's.   Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields


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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #13 on: Friday 17 January 14 19:49 GMT (UK) »
    There is something else which I find quite curious.    In 1881 the 21 year old William Forsyth gives his birth place as 'Haddingtonshire' instead of 'Edinburgh' or 'Midlothian' as in earlier census.  But Haddingtonshire was the name for the Royal Borough of Haddington before 1921 which is some 20 miles east of Edinburgh.
    It is possible that Marion was at Haddington when William was born, but I then thought that there was another explanation, because the 16 year old William Forsyth Father who was the 'baker' was living at 7 Haddington Place in Edinburgh in 1851 which was so very close to where Marion Grant was living.
    I have a vague feeling that I spotted Haddington somewhere else - maybe in the shipping lists so I'll just have to go through those again.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #14 on: Friday 17 January 14 21:16 GMT (UK) »
Hi All

Tom is off line at present, so just adding some census entries:

1861:
Willm Forsyth 24 b. A Brewers Servant b. Canongate, Edinburgh
Marion Forsyth 21 b. St Mary's, Edinburgh
William Forsyth 1 https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQ5Q-XHM
Barbara Grant 19 sister in law, domestic servant b. St Marys, Edinburgh
Jane Grant 14 sister in law, domestic servant b. St Marys, Edinburgh

Address: 8 Haddington Entry, Edinburgh

1871:
William Forsyth 37, baker b. Edinburgh
Jane Forsyth 34 (place of birth not included on transcript I am looking at)
William Forsyth 11 b. Edinburgh
Jane Forsyth 3 b. Edinburgh https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQS6-XRJ
Marion Forsyth 1 b. Edinburgh https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/FQWM-B5S

Address: 12 Gibbs Entry, Edinburgh St Cuthberts

Can't see a William Forsyth and Jane Gibson marriage between 1861 and 1875. Only Jane and Marion show to these parents.

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #15 on: Friday 17 January 14 21:28 GMT (UK) »
Now I know why I couldn't find them in 1871.   They were in London:

William Forsyth, "England and Wales Census, 1871"
Name:   William Forsyth
Event Type:   Census
Event Date:   1871
Gender:   Male
Age:   34
Relationship to Head of Household:   Self
Birthplace:   Edinburgh, Scotland
Schedule Type:   Household
Registration District:   London City
Sub-District:   Allhallows Barking
Parish:   Allhallows Barking
County:   London, Middlesex
    Household   Gender   Age   Birthplace
Self    William Forsyth     M   34   Edinburgh, Scotland
Wife    Marion Forsyth            F   31   Edinburgh, Scotland
Son    William Forsyth           M   11   Edinburgh, Scotland
Son    John Forsyth               M    5   Bermondsey, Surrey
Son    Alexander Forsyth       M    5   Bermondsey, Surrey

  This seems to establish that it is the William Forsyth born in 1837 who was the father.  Bit of a surprise here in that there are two more sons.    Their ages show that the family went south by at least 1866.
   Oh wonderful finds, Monica.   So there is the reason for Haddingtonshire - Haddington Entry not Haddington Place where the other William worked as a young baker.
    Many thanks Monica.     But now I wonder what was William's job in London.   Maybe hired by one of the big hotels?   Cheers Malcolm
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #16 on: Friday 17 January 14 21:33 GMT (UK) »
Well done Malcolm. Have to admit I was getting confused with the 1871 family in Edinburgh.

William Forsyth shows as a beer bottler in 1871, fits well with his occupation in 1871  :)

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Re: William Forsyth and Marion Grant of Edinburgh
« Reply #17 on: Friday 17 January 14 21:50 GMT (UK) »
Well done Malcolm. Have to admit I was getting confused with the 1871 family in Edinburgh.
William Forsyth shows as a beer bottler in 1871, fits well with his occupation in 1871  :)
Monica

Please don't laugh at me.   Reason I found the London 1871 entry is because I made a mistake and clicked on the England census instead of the Scotland census.    But at same time I know that this is due to them looking over our shoulder and helping.   I've had this so happen so many times in the past, it is not coincident.

Anyway your finds Monica really cement the whole case - you found Barbara and Jane living with them and here those two were in 1851:

1851 Census
Parish ref 685  Edinburgh fo 737 page 13
2 East Broughton Place

John GRANT Head  45  Pianoforte Makers Foreman  b Edinburgh Midlothian
Margaret GRANT    Wife 38  Foremans Wife b Edinburgh Midlothian
John GRANT Son  16  Pupil Teacher Normal School  b Edinburgh Midlothian
Marion GRANT Dau 10  Scholar At Home b Edinburgh
Barbara GRANT Dau  8  Scholar At Home b Edinburgh
Alexander GRANT Son 6  Scholar At Home b    Edinburgh
Jane   GRANT  Dau  4   At Home b Edinburgh
Isabella  GRANT    Dau 2   At Home b Edinburgh
Isabella  LUMSDEN Servt U   30  House Servant b Leith

    Furthermore Marion had a father named John, and brothers named John and Alexander hence the names of her sons born Bermondsey.
Hutton: Eccleshill,Queensbury
Grant: Babworth,Chinley
Draffan: Lesmahagow,Douglas,Coylton, Consett
Oliver: Tanfield, Sunderland, Consett
Proudlock: Northumberland
Turnbull:Northumberland, Durham
Robson:Sunderland, Northumberland
Dent: Dufton, Arkengarthdale, Hunstanworth
Currie: Coylton
Morris and Hurst: East Retford, Blyth, Worksop
Elliot: Castleton, Hunstanworth, Consett
Tassie, Greenshields