James Muff and Gertrude Ibeson

[Tim Brayshaw]

I have been using the usual record searches on Ancestry and FreeBMD and i'm coming up with nothing for census finds for either of these who married each other in 1922, Huddersfield. This is my last step before purchasing a marriage certificate and Gertrude's birth certificate. You would think with such unusual surnames it would be easy to find, but apparently not.

Gertrude Ibeson b.1892 In Huddersfield and passed away in 1977.

James Muff b.1890 and passed away in 1969. (No sign of birth on BMD records)

I have a Gertie Ibeson on the 1911 census as a boarder, but can not find her on the 1901 census with her parents...even after doing a first name only and birth/location search.

I can't find an entry at all for James and was wondering if anyone could point me in the right direction or help me out on this.

Many Thanks.

[Kay99]

Gertie in 1901?  Living at 4, Briggs Terrace, Dalton  All children born Huddersfld

IBERSON, Laura    Married 36    1865 b Mirfield, Yorkshire        
IBERSON, John W 14    Grocer's Errand Boy   
IBERSON, Joseph H    11        
IBERSON, Gertrude 8    

RG13 piece 4101 folio 169 page 1

Kay

[everlea]

I've found James in 1911 - do you want that?

                                                                                 Everlea.

[Tim Brayshaw]

I've found James in 1911 - do you want that?

                                                                                 Everlea.

Im starting to feel slightly inadequate. Thankyou to both of you. Yes i would love to take a look if possible. My simple searches don't seem to be working for me it seems.

[Kay99]

Don't feel inadequate - I used Find My Past which sometimes has records that Anc mistranscribes.   There is an option to ask for versions of a name.   

I can't see the Muff's pre 1911

Kay

[avm228]

Details from the marriage:

Marriage, Queen Street Chapel (Wesleyan), Huddersfield

4 March 1922

James MUFF*, 31, carrier & general dealer, of 16 Barcroft Rd, Newsome, Almondbury. Father: Henry MUFF, egg dealer.

Gertrude IBESON, 29, spinster, of 16 Barcroft Rd, Newsome, Almondbury.  Father: Tom IBESON, fruit farmer.

Married according to the rites and ceremonies of the Wesleyan Methodists, by licence, in the presence of Arthur MYERS, authorised person for the above chapel.

Both signed, as did the witnesses George WALTON & Lena WALLS.


*James' condition: "formerly the husband of Lily MUFF, formerly THACKRAY, spinster, from whom he obtained a divorce".

[avm228]

James' first marriage:

St Luke, Milnsbridge

18 November 1911

James MUFF, 21, bachelor, weaver of 48 Barkwell Terrace.  Father: Henry MUFF, currier.

Lily THACKRAY, 22, spinster, of 48 Barkwell Terrace.  Father: George Henry THACKRAY (deceased), farmer.

After banns.

Both signed, as did their witnesses Arthur FERGUSON & Emily SUNDERLAND.

[avm228]

This looks likely to be the relevant divorce file:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C8028212

[avm228]

The transcription of the co-respondent's name ("Krocklehurst") in the divorce file extract looks likely to be incorrect, in the light of this subsequent marriage:

Marriage, Mar qtr 1922

Lily MUFF or THACKRAY
James BROCKLEHURST

Pontefract 9c 208