James Muff and Gertrude Ibeson

[avm228]

Here's Elizabeth baptising Fred in 1889:

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JQH6-5G4

[avm228]

Had she had a previous child by a Mr Fox?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ6Z-8JR

[Kay99]

I wonder if it was another Elizabeth who married as she was listed as single in 1891

Kay

[Tim Brayshaw]

I wonder if it was another Elizabeth who married as she was listed as single in 1891

Kay

Very true, missed that one.

Had she had a previous child by a Mr Fox?

https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NJ6Z-8JR

Looking very possible that she had children to a couple of different men without marriage.

Wonder if Alfred was a son of hers where he was on the census.

[avm228]

Yes, I suspect Elizabeth Ann is a red herring and the "correct" Elizabeth is the daughter of John and Emma (as per baptism found on Familysearch), indexed in the GRO index as Elizabeth SMEATHIRS, Dec qtr 1866 Wellingborough and with John & Emma, aged 4, in 1871: RG10/1500/116/22.

[Tim Brayshaw]

Yes, I suspect Elizabeth Ann is a red herring and the "correct" Elizabeth is the daughter of John and Emma, indexed in the GRO index as Elizabeth SMEATHIRS, Dec qtr 1866 Wellingborough and with John & Emma, aged 4, in 1871.

I would agree on that now as the Census for 1871 shows two families one with a Elizabeth A Smeathers (looks like the one who married) and another for just an Elizabeth Smeathers

John Smeathers   33
Emma Smeathers   29
Mary E Smeathers   11
Joseph Smeathers   8
William J Smeathers   6
Elizabeth Smeathers   4

In Finedon.

[Kay99]

Alfred Fox Smeathers is living as the grandson of Emma in 1901

Emma Smeathers    57
Joseph Smeathers    38
Arthur Smeathers    21
Alfred Fox Smeathers    14
Ada Rowley    24

[Dalum]

Marriage, Dec qtr 1885  

Harry Johnson MUFF to Martha BATES or Charlotte MADDISON
Wellingborough 3b 314

Evidence from Ancestry trees, (for the 'other' couple), suggests strongly that he married Martha BATES. I can't find her after the marriage.

[avm228]

Another of Harry & Lizzie's children.

Birth: Dec qtr 1902 Wellingborough as Harry Johnson SMEATHERS.

Marriage: 17 Nov 1934 Staincliffe (to Sarah Ann Ratcliffe) as Harry Smeathers MUFF.

Death: Mar 1984 Huddersfield as Harry Smeathers MUFF, born 16 Oct 1902.