Selby/Grice

[heywood]

You do need to be careful. That is a family tree and the information may not be verified.

Also, I think the link I gave is wrong as the Grices were born in England on that record.
Perhaps start with Margaret?

[tidybooks]

Hi Heywood,

I agree that these trees and links must be treated with caution, until real certificates turn up. However there does seem to be an air of "family tale" about this story.

I also looked for him in London Gazette and the National Archives, but nothing there either.

Tom

[heywood]

I wonder if the family tale is an invention for Walton Selby. Perhaps S G was illegitimate and Walton was used for respectability. These things did happen.

I think I read on here that births etc are sometimes not easy to trace in some areas of USA.
Do you have birth details for Samuel George? Was he registered as Selby?
Are there marriage details for him?
Where were the family in 1870?

[hopetofind]

  Dear Heywood.
   Thank You.That would put a whole new twist on everything. The Names dates and places all jive. My mother tells me that my Grandfather Clarence Grice (Samuel's son) remembers his Grandmother (Margaret) and  he remembers visiting her.
   Samuel also had a sister older I think (Maude) Selby. Who was raised by Margaret. Records are so hard to find on them.
    That does kind of make sense.Maybe William was Samuel's actual father. That would have been quite scandalous.
  I have heard that Walton never worked but always had money.Was always dressed to the nines.His family in England would send him money.
  More research needs to be done. So the saga continues.
 
 
   
   
 
 

[hopetofind]

PS
 I believe the family was in Illinois in 1870. Because I believe that is where William Grice had either a coal mine or some kind of coal storage facility. Which is why He would have had $$$$.
 It is possible that Margaret traveled to England (with Maude) at some point in time. but not sure about that.
 
   

[heywood]

Based on what you wrote, I searched on the web for Selby/Margaret etc.
There is some information (different to yours) on Anceatry message boards here: http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=521&p=surnames.selby
The names there are Walter Selby and Margaret Wagner.
Using that information, Jacob and Margaret Stanley can be traced on Family Search through censuses from 1870 in Illinois. In 1900, they have a daughter Maude born 1884.
The message says that Margaret and Jacob had 4 children but in 1900 census, she states that she has had 8 children, 4 of whom are still living.
Margaret's year of birth is 1848 which would make her only about 16 yrs on the birth of Samuel George.

[heywood]

Just looked at a published tree and Margaret is named as Wonders 

However, here is the marriage to Jacob Stanley https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/VXG9-4FN

[Bgrice]

Leslie , if your grandfather was Clarence , he was the youngest of 4 sons of Samuel and lottie , he had 3 brothers , Freddie, orie and harry, Samuels parents were walter selby and Margaret wonders , they were married in 1863 in Pennsylvania,  walter died in 1866 in Chillicothe , Peoria county illinois , they had one son samuel selby (George grice) who was raised by the Grice's but never legally adopted,  margaret wonders remarried jacob Stanley and they lived in Taylorsville,  il. My grandfather was orie grice your grandfather's brother , my father was Philip grice who was your grandmother's cousin. Which makes us I think 3rd.cousins, I have a lot of other info if you like. Bob Grice

[hopetofind]

Thank you
 That would much appreciated. I would love to hear more.