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MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« on: Wednesday 25 September 13 02:42 BST (UK) »
Baptism records look-ups for Market Bosworth needed please to fill in some missing info
I am trying to piece together a Messenger family in Market Bosworth
Who are the parents of these three siblings??
Michael Messenger b abt 1830 Market Bosworth and his sisters Mary about 1832, and Elizabeth about 1835
(there is another Michael Messenger b about same time in Ratcliffe-on-the-Wreake - not mine)
I have followed Michael in the census from 1841 to 1861. They are all living with an uncle James and aunt Mary in 1841 and possibly his grandfather Joseph, 1851 with James and Mary, Joseph had died and in 1861 with James - no parents in sight
I know James is the uncle as Michael is listed as a nephew on one census
Michael marries in 1862 in Leicester to Sarah Alice Osborne and a parish record look-up for that event would be appreciated before I order the cert to ascertain if this is the correct Sarah Alice
christenings for some of their children list mother as Sarah Anne so some confusion there

any help would be much appreciated
thanks SC

   

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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #1 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 16:51 BST (UK) »
Familysearch has;

MICHAEL Messenger Buried 09 July 1834, Market-Bosworth, Leicester, no age given.

Marriage of a Michael MESSENGER to Mary BARWELL, 4 January 1827, Saint Mary, Leicester

A MICHAEL Messenger was Christened 9 July 1797, Market-Bosworth to JOSEPH/ELIZABETH
(I have to check if he had a Brother James c 1806 yet)
EDIT can only find these 1 extra Child to Joseph/Elizabeth;
MARY, 25 Aug 1799

Joseph MESSENGER Married Elizabeth ISON,    4 April 1796, Swepstone,Leicester,England
(may be a second Marriage)

ELIZABETH Messenger, Wife of JOSEPH was Buried Mkt Bos, 04 Oct 1826

1851 Census James Messenger 1806, Unmarried, has his SISTER IN LAW MARY Messenger a Widow born c 1795, with him.
Children are down as his Neices/Nephew

I think that that Mary is their Mother nee Barwell.

1861 Census James Messenger is Unmarried also.

Trish :)
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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #2 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 17:09 BST (UK) »
1841 we have;
Joseph Messenger , 77
James Messenger, 35
Mary Messenger, 35
Michael Messenger, 11
Mary Messenger, 9
Elizabeth Messenger,
Mary BARWELL, 15
Joseph KENDALL, 17

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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #3 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 17:32 BST (UK) »
1851 Census Mary Messenger is born c 1795 Barleston

Mary BARWELL Christened 28 December 1794, Barlestone, Leicester
Parents JOHN/MARY
Siblings;
JOHN, 16 Sept 1793
THOMAS, 15 May 1796
ELIZTH, 25 Dec 1801
SARAH, 25 Dec 1802

A MARY ANN Barwell was chr 02 Feb 1823 Barlestone to John/Mary.
She may be the 15 yr old Mary on the 1841 Census.
Mary Barwell 1794's Brother John Barwell 1793 may have married a Mary and she is their Child.
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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #4 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 17:38 BST (UK) »
2 possible Marriages;

John BARWELL/Mary SMITH   
England Marriages, 15381973
5 November 1792, Barlestone, Leicester, England


John BARWELL/Mary AGITT
England Marriages, 15381973   
2 February 1819, Quorndon, Leicester, England
   



   
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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #5 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 17:40 BST (UK) »
Hopefully someone can confirm Childrens Christenings with what I have found :)
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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #6 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 18:38 BST (UK) »
Hi Trish

well done finding all that info
sounds like you have pieced a lot of this together very well
looks like the parents of Michael, Mary and Elizabeth then could well be Michael and Mary m 1827
Michael died and she took children to live with James

I must admit I had missed the fact that James was unmarried and that Mary was his sister -in-law
I was working from a very faint copy of the census

if someone could maybe find christenings for the 3 children it would clinch things
and also a christening for a James around 1804 to Joseph/Elizabeth

thanks so much
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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #7 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 21:36 BST (UK) »
Here's the ref for the marriage

31-Jul 1862   All Saints
MESSENGER   Michael   Leicester      
OSBORNE   Sarah Alice

Market Bosworth Baptisms

Osborn James Messenger  12 AUG 1863 Michael Sarah Anne F saddler
Mary Beatrice Messenger 26 MAY 1865 Michael Sarah Anne F saddler
Alice Mary Messenger 4 OCT 1867 Michael Sarah Anne F saddler
George Michael Messenger 8 JUL 1870 Michael Sarah Ann F saddler
Margaret Blanche Messenger 13 MAR 1872 Michael Sarah Alice F saddler
Florence Ida Messenger 16 NOV 1877 Michael Sarah Alice Born 2 Jun 1874, f saddler
Helena Bird Messenger 6 NOV 1878 Michael Sarah Alice F saddler

burials

Mary Beatrice Messenger 17 NOV 1870 Michael Sarah Alice Age 5 1/2
Alice Mary Messenger 19 NOV 1870 Michael Sarah Alice Age 3
Margaret Blanche Messenger 17 MAR 1872 Michael Sarah Alice Inft
James Messenger 4 DEC 1865 Age 60, bachelor
Willsy

Ward, Newark (Nottingham), Leicester, Scarborough
Warren, Northampton, Leicester
Moore, Leicestershire
Hunt, Leicestershire
Kirkman, Leicestershire
Hurst, Leicester, Stowmarket
Kendrick, Leicestershire
Eld, Leicestershire
Essex Edey/Eady Elsden/Elsdon

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Re: MESSENGER Market Bosworth - baptism look-ups please
« Reply #8 on: Wednesday 25 September 13 22:39 BST (UK) »
Thank you willsy, that's a big help and much appreciated
I only had some of the baptisms for Michael and Sarah's children and as you see there are differences in the mother's name so that is great clarification that its one and the same person as occupation is the same each time too
lost three girls and then Florence who died later in 1882
Osborn James gets married in 1900 to Rosa Hextall and a Hextall family are neighbours to James in one of the censuses so she may be a descendant of them

It looks like Mary Messenger nee Barwell appears to have died in Sep Qtr 1859 in Market Bosworth did you see a burial entry for her by any chance?

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