Cumley -Kensington - London

[syljun]

Eliza Joanna Cumley, formerly Harding, nee Osmond born 1850 Dorset. Died 1930 Age 80 Kensington, London. Anyone with a connection? Hoping someone has her in their tree together with her son Henry Washington Harding (my brick wall after 1921). Was he at her funeral?
Any clue to what happened to him appreciated. Occupation put as Musician on Divorce Papers from his wife 1921. Eliza married William Thomas Cumley 1904 Kensington. Widow of Henry Harding.
Many thanks, syljun

[JaneyCanuck]

Just filling in some missing blanks that need filling in order to search for someone.

Henry Washington Harding, birth reg Sept quarter 1884, Kensington reg dist.
Married Dec quarter 1904, Kensington reg dist.
Annie Lewis Charman or Edith Mary Coombe?
- edit - Septimus Michels and his wife Edith travelled to Sri Lanka in 1934, so Henry married Annie. Her birth was reg March quarter 1885 Marylebone. Can't see her in 1911 either, by any surname.

I might just keep in mind that he could have been long gone by 1921. Do you know the grounds stated in the divorce petition? For instance, if adultery, the spouses were likely still in touch; if desertion, he could have been not heard of/from for years, and possibly have left the country.

I'm not seeing him on a quick look at the 1911 census. Do you know whether he was in that census?



... um, wowsers. You have a couple of dozen? threads at this site already about this person:

https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22henry+washington+harding%22+site:www.rootschat.com

not to mention elsewhere on the internet

https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22henry+washington+harding%22

so I imagine I have already done what has been done multiple times before and you haven't mentioned, and I'll leave you to it! It may not have been mentioned before (when threads are posted on multiple different boards, people reading them may never know of the others), but multiple posting is not encouraged, especially without explaining what searches have been done and efforts made in the past.

Specifically, my questions about the divorce were answered here (at least):
http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=9753&p=localities.britisles.england.lnd.london
along with a lot of other help given there.

[JaneyCanuck]

But just because I have no willpower and this does angle not appear to have been explored before ...

In that thread at Anc'y, Annie Lewis Charman Harding's second marriage was mentioned:

1922 to Edmond F Buffy, in Richmond.

I looked for Buffy-Charman births and in fact there are two: 1913 and 1914 in Richmond.

Then I looked for other Buffy-Charman marriages to see whether they could be ruled out, and found:

Valerie H Buffy + John L Charman, 1919 Richmond

- but that's the wrong way around for children named Charman with mother Buffy, so the children have to be Annie and Edmond's, barring some strange coincidence.

Her death record shows her as Valerie Helene Charman, dob Feb 1896, died 1986 Enfield.
His death may be reg as John L Charman, dob c1887, died 1953 Blackpool.
That death matches with the birth of John Lewis Charman, 1887 Paddington -- who has to be a brother of Annie Lewis Charman Harding Buffy.

There is an Edmond Buffy (name corrected from Duffy by a user at Anc'y) in the 1911 census, born c1886 in Switzerland.

Valerie Helene Buffy Charman's name certainly indicates French origins.
Did Swiss brother and sister Edmond and Valerie Buffy marry English sister and brother Annie and John Charman?


Oh well, sigh, I should have googled again. I see someone served up that info last May, and you already had it then, and in fact Valerie's gr-grdaughter contacted you:

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=9456&p=localities.britisles.england.sry.general

Soooo much info you have already.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22laurence+harry+harding%22


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu_FdzMzkqA


and a google for Jack Charman and Annie Charman finds multiple posts at yet another site ...

And yes, I realize this particular query was about Henry Washington Harding, but it was so devoid of information that finding some just seemed like a good idea ...

[syljun]

Sorry I asked. Still trying to break down brick wall. Cumley name was another lead, or so I thought.

[Laura Deller]

But just because I have no willpower and this does angle not appear to have been explored before ...

In that thread at Anc'y, Annie Lewis Charman Harding's second marriage was mentioned:

1922 to Edmond F Buffy, in Richmond.

I looked for Buffy-Charman births and in fact there are two: 1913 and 1914 in Richmond.

Then I looked for other Buffy-Charman marriages to see whether they could be ruled out, and found:

Valerie H Buffy + John L Charman, 1919 Richmond

- but that's the wrong way around for children named Charman with mother Buffy, so the children have to be Annie and Edmond's, barring some strange coincidence.

Her death record shows her as Valerie Helene Charman, dob Feb 1896, died 1986 Enfield.
His death may be reg as John L Charman, dob c1887, died 1953 Blackpool.
That death matches with the birth of John Lewis Charman, 1887 Paddington -- who has to be a brother of Annie Lewis Charman Harding Buffy.

There is an Edmond Buffy (name corrected from Duffy by a user at Anc'y) in the 1911 census, born c1886 in Switzerland.

Valerie Helene Buffy Charman's name certainly indicates French origins.
Did Swiss brother and sister Edmond and Valerie Buffy marry English sister and brother Annie and John Charman?


Oh well, sigh, I should have googled again. I see someone served up that info last May, and you already had it then, and in fact Valerie's gr-grdaughter contacted you:

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=9456&p=localities.britisles.england.sry.general

Soooo much info you have already.

https://www.google.ca/search?q=%22laurence+harry+harding%22


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wu_FdzMzkqA


and a google for Jack Charman and Annie Charman finds multiple posts at yet another site ...

And yes, I realize this particular query was about Henry Washington Harding, but it was so devoid of information that finding some just seemed like a good idea ...

Hi Check out my post on death of a french banker Francois Marc Buffy. This is my family through my Grandmother Valerie Helene Charman.

[Laura Deller]

Just a point of interest. The name Buffy had an unusual pronunciation in swiss france. It was pronounced BUIFFY.

[JaneyCanuck]

A link is needed, Laura, for anyone to know what post you are talking about.

I found it by looking at your profile and the list of your posts.

http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=649692.msg6168695#msg6168695