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Andersons, Ettrick valley
« on: Tuesday 15 October 13 18:13 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Does anyone know anything of the Andersons from Shortlhope near Ettrick?
My father has a clear memory from the 1920s/30s of his aunts and uncle cycling up from Granton down to Moffat then taking their bikes cross country over the mountain in order to visit Anderson relatives at Shorthope. A journey of about 18 miles!
He's not sure of the exact relationship and, of course, it could be a female Anderson who had married.
I have never done any family history in the recent past so do not know if there are any records that I can access online.
Any help/tips much appreciated
Norma
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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #1 on: Thursday 17 October 13 14:57 BST (UK) »
NORMATREES  It seems to be the wife who was an Anderson. The headstone reads " In memory of JANET  ANDERSON  wife of WILLIAM  DALGLIESH  who died Shorthope 17=11=1915 aged 50yrs and WILLIAM  DALGLIESH who died at Brockhope 24-7-1925 aged 71yrs "
You should be able to get her death cert from Scotlandspeople which should show her parents.
The only other headstone for Shorthope was for a JOHN  MURE who died there 1744!!
THERE ARE DOZENS OF ENTRIES FOR ANDERSONS AND DALGLEISHES IN THE CEMETERY AND SUGGEST YOU BUY THE CD from www.Selkirkshireantiquariansociety.co.uk for 10.
Any problems let me know as i transcribed the cemetery.
cheers
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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #2 on: Friday 18 October 13 19:11 BST (UK) »
Thank you so much for that. A real breakthrough I hope.
I found her parents who are the Andersons who had been at Broadgairhill for several generations.
This is yet another puzzle as we had thought our relative had moved to Shorthope from the Moffat, KJ area as that is where all our Andersons hail from.
Also, as she died in 1915 there would have had to have been some children of hers for our relatives to be visiting in the 20s/30s.....
They must have been very friendly to warrant an 18 mile one way journey which included hoiking their bikes over the hill!
I have to wonder if some other Anderson (or married female Anderson) moved to Shorthope after William Dalgliesh left.....
Anyhows many thanks again, you've given me plenty to chew on!
cheers
Norma
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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #3 on: Friday 18 October 13 20:37 BST (UK) »
I've got where you are now. What is now known as the Southern Upland Way goes from Moffat to Shorthope, so I would assume they would have followed that track. Its only about a 800 foot rise in elevation, so not too bad!

It was not uncommon to walk 10 miles plus to get to church on a Sunday, come rain, shine, snow or flooded rivers, often with young children in tow.

They made 'em tough in those days.

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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #4 on: Friday 18 October 13 21:08 BST (UK) »
Yes, they were tough weren't they.
They actually went up the Moffat Water road and Bodesbeck was the point at which they went over the hill. I can just about make out the path on the 2.5" map and then on google earth!
Hope I get to walk it one day!
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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #5 on: Friday 18 October 13 22:29 BST (UK) »
Normatree
Let us know who are parents are so maybe we can help. Did you get their marriage cert and death cert?tryfamily search for brothers and sisters to help your search and obviously census records 1911, 1901 1891 1881 etc
Alan
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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #6 on: Saturday 19 October 13 19:10 BST (UK) »
Hi,
Thanks for that.
The death cert 1915 for Janet Dalgliesh (nee Anderson) gives her parents as James Anderson and Helen Rutherford.

This links in with info sent to me by an Ian Davidson which shows:-

 James Anderson (born 1836) as farming at Broadgairhill where his father, John (born c 1790, married Margaret Burnett) also farmed.

John's father was another John (born c 1752 and married Helen Laidlaw)

His father was Robert (married Janet Grieve) tenant at Midgehop.

As you can see they all seem firmly rooted around Ettrick valley.

As far as my lot of Andersons goes:-

My fathers aunts and uncles were some of the 13 children of John Anderson (born 1852, married to Agnes Dinwoodie).
John's father was William Anderson (born 1800, married Esther Dinwoodie)

Both of these and the aunts and uncles were all born and lived in Kirkpatrick Juxta at Wester Earshaig and Stidriggs. The aunts and uncle (Mary, Esther and Sam) also lived at Granton north of Moffat in that parish (from where they cycled!)

William's father was Thomas Anderson (born c 1760, married Catherine Marchbank). He was described as a miller at Archbank nr Moffat when his first child was born. He subsequently farmed at Wester Earshaig.
I couldn't find a birth record for him in Moffat or KJ and unfortunately he died in 1838 so no census record.
The most hopeful birth I could find was from Eskdalemuir with a father called James (which would fit with naming patterns as Thomas' 1st son was called James)
As Eskdalemuir is not so far from Ettrick maybe there is a link there. I would love also to pin Thomas's birth down!

So there you are. All the info on my Andersons is backed up with census, births etc. I'm not sure where to go next and the thought of following up all those generations of siblings and their children is rather daunting!

I shan't commit to the cd of the churchyard just yet as I'm still unsure if there is a relationship with the older Ettrick Andersons...

Do feel free to ignore all that info if I've overdone it!
cheers
Norma

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Re: Andersons, Ettrick valley
« Reply #7 on: Sunday 27 April 14 20:04 BST (UK) »
I WAS CHECKING OTHER THINGS AND FOUND ONE OF YOUR ANDERSONS BUT IT SAY THAT WALTER  AND NOT JOHN  WAS MARRIED TO HELEN LAIDLAW! THIS IS THE ENTRY:-
55 In memory of WALTER ANDERSON who died at Hopehouse 20th
July 1800 aged 35yrs also HELEN LAIDLAW his spouse who died at
Scabcleuch 8th March 1845 aged 77yrs.Also ESTHER TURNBULL
wife of WALTER ANDERSON their son who died at Brockhope
1865.Also WALTER ANDERSON her husband who died at
Gilmanscleuch 2nd February 1873 aged 23yrs THOMAS ANDERSON
who died at Brockhill 9th October 1850 aged 22yrs.Their sons and
WALTER who died at Summerhope 16th October 1852 aged 28yrs.Also
a brother and sister who died in infancy. Also CAMERON
ANDERSON his son who died at Hindhope 4th October 1870 aged
36yrs and CAMERON ANDERSON his son who died at Hindhope
12th March 1871 aged 8 months also JANET MURRAY wife of
CAMERON ANDERSON who died at Selkirk 15th October 1912 aged
74yrs. (on back) Also in memory of JAMES ANDERSON who died
at Howe Oxton Berwickshire 7th February 1905 aged 71yrs.
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